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March 21, 2006
• Orthodox vegans typically spend only coins since U.S. paper currency has animal oils in the ink and a credit card's plastic is manufactured with animal fats.
Not quite sure about this fact... Paper money is bound by a combination of cotton or linen with cellulose from plants as far as I know and plastic is man-made, why would it need to be fortified with animal fat?
Hi Saix! I'm glad you asked about this, as it was a particularly interesting factoid. You're correct in your statement that the body of the credit card is "man-made", that is to say, it's made from plastic, which is a refined form of oil. But that's where things start to break down a bit. First off, many vegans object to plastic altogether, as it is made from decomposed dinosaurs, making it an animal-based product. However, because they are already dead, and we are making use of their millions of years old corpses, that's not the root of the objection.
Why they object to credit cards in particular, is due to the fact that the magnetic strip is made of a cow-fat-based polymer. Normal plastics, because of the distinct chains in which they assemble when solidifying makes it nearly impossible to induce any sort of a charge, the molecules are far too long to be able to polarize. So credit card (in fact, any card with a magnetic strip) manufacturers use an animal fat to create the plastic used for the magnetic strip as it is able to both robustly bind with the card, as well as hold a magnetic charge for long periods of time.
I don't have the research in front of me about the animal oils used in paper money, but I would venture to guess it's mink oil. But there are literally thousands of ingredients that make up the pigment for a modern dollar. Anyone else care to shed some light?
No vegan should ever use Canadian bills--they are even worse than American bills. The new American bills will be even worse than Canadian bills.
The simple reason is just as you said, Legat--the pigments are produced using oxen hooves. This causes a richer, longer-lasting dye.
They went with oxen hooves in the new formula? I was reading that they were considering that, but I thought there was no way they'd go through with it. I mean, I know it's a good way to help prevent counterfeiting, but it's going to increase the price of their ink quite a bit. Whatever... how much more could the dollar sink? 
I always chuckle inside at one of my hard-core vegan friends with his pockets full of coins. I like to hum, "these spurs / they jingle, jangle, jingle." One time I was with him when he went to buy a new computer, but at least he had most of the coins in rolls.
See, I was thinking about that, but if they don't like plastic, wouldn't computers be taboo as well? Or is he not that hard-core?
Like I said, only the strictest of the strict wouldn't use a computer because of the refined oil. It's the animal fat used specifically in plastics for credit cards that make those a problem.
I always have a hard time understanding people that can't use computers. Our professor today was challenging us to see if we could last a full day without use of *any* form of "technology" (computer, car, radio...). I don't even have to try...I know I'd fail. Partly because at this point, most everything I'd be doing would be by myself.
It's always fun talking to people from "back in the old day" when they "didn't have no stinkin' computers".
Next month I'll be spending 9 days at a dive resort that has no phones, TVs or computers. The highest tech thing they have is the blender for making maragaritas.
I used a computer to look up the meaning of "orthodox vegan", then I threw my keyboard at a fat animal. Now THAT's what I call some weird paradox.
/I wish I could use the internet :(
Posted By: NI17EGOur professor today was challenging us to see if we could last a full day without use of *any* form of "technology" (computer, car, radio...).
Does your professor consider "architecture" a technological advance?
Posted By: UdoboyPosted By: NI17EGOur professor today was challenging us to see if we could last a full day without use of *any* form of "technology" (computer, car, radio...).
Does your professor consider "architecture" a technological advance?
Well, of course, that's the problem. The wheel is a huge technological advance. Just ask the native americans circa 1500.
(ok ok -- I fixed the typo. 'ask' instead of 'as')
I disagree. I don't think the native americans were that big of a technological advance - especially the circa 1500 ones.
Yeah, I was actually thinking the exact same thing when I was writing my post =P. Maybe he meant "electronic". But that would be tough for people with pacemakers. Or automatic bathroom stuff.
I hate automatic flushing toilets. They're waaay too sensitive...If you shift eversoslightly on the pot, it'll flush...then when you stand up, it'll flush...AAANDDD, when you open the door, it flushes. They waste too much water and its embarassing when people think you HAVE to flush a bazillion times. Grr.
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I have a question...You know how if you're using a cell phone near other electronics, they kind of freak out a little? What happens if you use them near a pacemaker? o.o It's kind of scary...I was reading about ipods and pacemakers and how they won't be a problem unless you happen to keep your ipod in your breast pocket...
My problem with automatic toilets is...they sometimes ignore me. They don't flush when I leave, so it's like they never noticed I was there. There's nothing quite so humiliating as being ignored by a toilet.
Oh yeah? My therapist dumped me.
kinda.
She pulled the "Don't call me, I'll call you", and hasn't called for a week and a half. I'm sad.
You could always phone and be like, "I forget, was I supposed to call you or was I supposed to wait and not call yet?". Thankfully, I have a memory lacking enough to get away with that sometimes.
Besides, if she's a therapist, she should be able to assume that perhaps you did actually forget.
Tell her the voices in your head commanded you to call her. Some command you to go visit her.
(I've used 'voices' twice in about 20 mins after not using it at all previously.)
I've been trying to get her to tell me to go to another doctor and get happy pills but it hasn't worked so far. (I'm not a drug addict, btw).....
Meh, didn't like her much anyway.
It's not you, it's her.
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