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    • CommentAuthorswimlax
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    "As measured by overall impacts, adjusted by pounds per square inch, and taking into account 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree bruises, as well as more severe ailments such as separated shoulders, college lacrosse is judged by the World Congress of Sports Physicians to be the physically most brutal sport."

    As an avid men's lacrosse player, i would love for this fact to be true. And this study bring done by the WORLD Congress of Sports Physicians, would be accurate. But, also being a rugby player, i would have to take into concideraton the bruses and injuries that can be accrused playing rugby and other more obscure sports.

    Is this fact accurate?

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    I played 6 years of American football (mostly linebacker. Some DE and RB, too), 10 years of Lacrosse (Mostly crease defense with a lot of center Midi), 20+ years of rugby (all over but generally in the scrum) and a little hurling (I have no idea what the position names are). The hardest hits I ever gave or took were in Lacrosse, hands down.

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    Well, Mr. Swimlax, brutality can be measured in a number of ways. If you only take into consideration bruises, and impacts, then lacrosse is infact the most brutal sport in the world. However, if you also add minor injuries, deaths, major injuries, ect. then it is hard to determine the most brutal sportl. However, the World Congress of Sports Physicians only takes into consideration sports that are at least 25 years old, ave at least 100 teams at state levels in any countries, and have been recognized by at least five natiohs with a HDI greater than .759. So, ferret legging is out of the question.

    If we take into consideration every factor, and include sports not recognized by the World Congress of Sports Physiciansm then the most brutal sport would be one of the following:

    Soccer (yes, soccer)
    American Football
    Rugby
    Lacrosse
    Wheight Lifting
    and Ferret Legging

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    Soccer???? NFW. Soccer is for wimps.

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    DId you know that there are more injuries in Soccer than in American Football?

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    Yes, but does that make it more brutal? By the very nature of the way soccer plays out, people are going to land in odd ways. Not to mention, they don't wear pads. I stand by lacrosse as the most brutal of sports.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    Of course -- because soccer players are pansies! If an opponent looks gives a player a little brush-up the player immediately collapses and writhes on the ground in agony.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: andresoforo

    DId you know that there are more injuries in Soccer than in American Football?

    Posted By: Fact totum

    Of course -- because soccer players are pansies! If an opponent looks gives a player a little brush-up the player immediately collapses and writhes on the ground in agony.

    Ditto!!

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      CommentAuthormargaret
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: andresoforo

    DId you know that there are more injuries in Soccer than in American Football?

    Pfft. Having your ego bruised when real football players show you how it's done does not count as an "injury".

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007 edited
     

    Funny, I would have thought boxing was right up there along with that octagonal free-for-all. But apparently not. I had more injuries in judo than in rugby.

    As for 'real' football, is that the one where each player plays for 10 minutes a week but manages to stretch it out into a minor eternity?

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    Posted By: Fact totum

    Of course -- because soccer players are pansies! If an opponent looks gives a player a little brush-up the player immediately collapses and writhes on the ground in agony.

    Valid point.
    Soccer player = Porsche
    NFL player = Armour plated tank
    Neither does particularly well on the other's track / turf.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    hard to drive when you're wriggling on the ground because one of your opponents burped especially loudly near your ear.

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    Is it true that if you fail the Sumo Wrestling entrance exam you can still get a passing grade as a line backer provided you can spell your name correctly?

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    you have to know that 'linebacker' is one word.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    I heard sumo wrestlers cheat for the reason that they are controlled the Japanese version of the Mafias. One wrestler attempted to hold a press conference to tell the truth, and he ended up dead before it can take place.

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    Of course! Joined up writing is part of the test

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      CommentAuthormargaret
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    As for 'real' football, is that the one where each player plays for 10 minutes a week but manages to stretch it out into a minor eternity?

    Are you trying to say football is boring? Because the last time I attempted to watch a soccer game I fell asleep before the first, and only, goal of the game.

    Speaking of football, let's all observe a moment of silence for Terry Hoeppner and his mourning Hoosiers. They lost a good coach and a brave man this week. :cry:

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      CommentAuthorTaed
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    That way-crazy-throw-the-small-girl-100-feet-in-the-air type of cheerleading certainly seems more dangerous than all but maybe 2 other common sports...

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    Posted By: margaret

    Are you trying to say football is boring?

    I don't think I said that. I implied that the total IQ of the linebackers was in the same ballpark (pardon the pun) as the length of the football pitch.

    And that reminds me of one of those expressions I thought up on the spur of the moment, and then regretted afterwards...

    We may be in the same ballpark, but I'm not just part of the audience.

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      CommentAuthormargaret
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    Is it true that if you fail the Sumo Wrestling entrance exam you can still get a passing grade as a line backer provided you can spell your name correctly?

    I think that's what you meant in the above quote, not the quote I quoted. (If you'd like, I could try and throw the word "quote" around a few more times in that sentence, but I digress.) And as far as intelligence goes, football may not have players quoting Aristotle, but that doesn't mean they're not clever. If you take a look at any standard playbook, you'll see that a lot of thought goes into most of them (although personally, my favorite plays tend to be the simplest).

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007 edited
     

    No. In the previously quoted quote of mine, I was saying that a soccer player plays for 90 minutes in a period of 105. An XFL player plays for maybe 20-25 mins over a period of 3 to 4 hours. That level of fitness and speed - like a running back - does not permit players to carry excess poundage or body armour.

    Almost every person I know who played amateur soccer till the age of 35 or so has screwed up their knees, just like pitchers tend to have wrecked shoulders.

    In terms of taking digs at each other - that's the fun in these conversations. I believe FT started the ball rolling (if you see what I mean) with the gentle jibe "Of course -- because soccer players are pansies!". My following statements were equally generic.

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    Yes, that's the case. Soccer players simply cannot wear pads, which is why there are more injuries.

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      CommentAuthorAthene
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007 edited
     

    After our game tonight, I think softball is the most emotionally brutal sport...

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      CommentAuthormargaret
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    I agree. Well, I'd say softball and kickball are equally brutal. I actually knocked a 6'1" guy off first base flat onto his back tonight in kickball. Wasn't my bad though ... he was covering both bags!! Aargh!! Everybody knows the orange bag is for the runner!! :argh:

    • CommentAuthorvancamp
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2007
     
    Posted By: margaret
    Posted By: andresoforo

    DId you know that there are more injuries in Soccer than in American Football?

    Pfft. Having your ego bruised whenrealfootball players show you how it's done does not count as an "injury".

    I think I love you.

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      CommentAuthormargaret
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2007
     

    Aww shucks ... :shamed:

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    Vancamp and Margaret, sitting in a tree. Making Gull-I-Facts, Yippee!

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    andres, you have missed your vocation.

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    Skateboarding?

    Rugby, also, has the "blood bin" which is unique to American sports, where a player is actually bleeding too much and they are ejected from the game to prevent the spread of blood-borne illness (AIDS being the example that jumps to mind, or Greg Louganis). Brutal? Yes.

    When nobody wants to wrestle in KY with you, it can be emotionally damaging. That family reunion just didn't go well.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2007
     

    I've been playing rugby since the 70s (I played last Saturday, in fact) and I've never heard of a 'blood bin'.

    I have heard that in-line skating is the only sport/activity that has an injury rate exceeding 100%. I knew a woman about 15 yrs ago who, when she bought her first set of roller blades, wanted to avoid injury so she made arrangements (digression: Why is 'arrangements' plural in that phrase??) to get a lesson in in-line skating. She agreed to meet the instructor at Washington Square Park at 11:00 AM on a Saturday. She arrived at 10:45 and laced up her skates and put them on figuring she'd get used to standing in the skates while waiting for the instructor. By 10:49 she had broken her wrist. The instructor arrived in time to watch her be put in the ambulance. I know 2 people who broke both wrists in one fall while in-line skating. (The didn't both break their wrists in the same fall -- they each had a fall separately and in their individual falls they each broke both their wrists.)

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    My 'time-to-injury' for my first time on ice skates was about 20 seconds. I put on the boots and ran on to the ice. I then discovered I could not skate. Somehow I kept on my feet in a straight line through the rotating oval of real skaters. I reached the banister on the far side as I was falling, grabbed it and sliced my hand on a screw head that was projecting. Then off to the hospital for stitches.

    This was beaten by a guy at work who made the mistake of putting on skis (for the first time) on a slope. He ended up with stitches after using his head to stop himself.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    I've been playing rugby since the 70s (I played last Saturday, in fact) and I've never heard of a 'blood bin'

    I can assure you FT that it does exist and is written into the rules of international rugby. The ref must send any player who is bleeding copiously to the blood bin.

    Most countries adopt this rule at the national level.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    Most countries adopt this rule at the national level.

    Ah. That explains it. I only play locally.

    Actually, it's been a quite a while since I've seen anyone get bloody to the point that it's dripping. A few scraped knees and elbows is pretty common and no one gets sent off for that.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2007 edited
     

    True - you normally need to be totally rucked.

    I used to make a cocktail I called a scrumball. You could put in anything you wanted, and you didn't know what it would come out like. Of course, people wanted to know the secret ingredients, but I wasn't telling.

    Back to sport. There are certain sports where a complete inability to visualise the future is an advantage. These include free-style skiing and the luge. AFAIK the luge is unique. It is the only sport in which (if something goes wrong) the emergency brake is your head.

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    [del]Cocktails with Paulustrious[/del]

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    I make a mean mango daiquiri. Perfect on a hot humid evening - like it will be tonight. I will be using Mexican atulfo (?) mangoes. They have an excellent flavour, and blend well without many stringy bits.

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    [ul]

    1. Cocktails with Paulustrious
    2. Speak a foreign language
    3. Visit the great wall
    4. Own a puppy
    5. Meet Jessica Alba
    6. Caribbean cruise
    7. [/ul]
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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2007
     
    Posted By: [Expletive Deleted]

    [ul]

    [ol]

    1. Cocktails with Paulustrious
    2. Speak a foreign language
    3. Visit the great wall
    4. Own a puppy
    5. Meet Jessica Alba
    6. Caribbean cruise
    7. [/ul]
    8. [/ol]

    2. I can always help you learn Spanish :)

    Posted By: Paulustrious

    I make a mean mango daiquiri. Perfect on a hot humid evening - like it will be tonight. I will be using Mexican atulfo (?) mangoes. They have an excellent flavour, and blend well without many stringy bits.

    Yum! :) Will I be invited to the cocktail party?

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2007 edited
     

    But of course, Yika.

    You understand that the name carries no connotations? Like Grand Prix.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2007
     

    I don't understand what connotations are.. and what you're trying to tell me Paulustrious.

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    I didn't want to unfairly raise your expectations about what cocktail party is.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2007
     

    Oh...kay.... O_O

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     

    Cheerleaders tend to have the most injuries, but WCSP does not consider cheer a sport.

    Posted By: margaret
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    As for 'real' football, is that the one where each player plays for 10 minutes a week but manages to stretch it out into a minor eternity?

    Are you trying to say football is boring? Because the last time I attempted to watch a soccer game I fell asleep before the first, and only, goal of the game.

    There was a goal in the game? Then it was an exciting soccer match. Most end in 0-0 ties at the end of regulation.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     

    Soccer fans are like teenage boys. All it takes to get them excited is to get close to scoring.

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    Correct. When they get near the box, all they do is shoot.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     

    Tae Kwon Do is Korea's national sport, that carries a shipload of injuries.

    • CommentAuthorswimlax
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2007
     

    I play lacrosse in all four seasons, and am constantly nursing injury, however i am not injured in soccer, its tiring as hell due to the lack of substitutions available

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      CommentAuthorPiggie8
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2007
     
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Cheerleaders tend to have the most injuries, but WCSP does not consider cheer a sport.

    OMG, I LOVE THE WCSP!

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    Posted By: Trance

    Tae Kwon Do is Korea's national sport, that carries a shipload of injuries.

    My Taekwondo instructor has never actually had a serious injury to himself or any of his classes. (serious=not a bruise), but has had numerous injuries due to tennis.

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      CommentAuthorTaed
    • CommentTimeOct 2nd 2007
     

    Gosh, yeah -- if you think tennis elbow is bad, may you never experience tennis balls.

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