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      CommentAuthorSapereAude
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2007 edited
     

    Has anyone else considered the possibility that different people may see the same color differently? That perhaps each individual has his/her own set of colors through which to view the world? This is a reasonable quandary because the way in which we learn colors is completely by association. If you see a purple sky and are told to call it blue and I see a green sky and are told to call it blue, then we will both see a blue sky.

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2007
     

    Yes, i have actually pondered this point rather frequently. I do believe that it surfaced 1-2 times in the gendale thread, i recommend you check it out.

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2007
     

    Ditto.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2007
     

    it matters not

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    What color do you see when you "see red?" If I see red and you see blue, then seems to me you'd be less angry...did that make sense?

    By the same token, feeling "blue" would have a whole different meaning if we really felt "red."

    Incidentally, fast food chains use bright colors like red and yellow (McDs) because psychologically, these colors make people eat faster (and a few other effects).

    All of the above suggests at least similar vision in terms of "hot and cold" colors.

    Has anyone heard of "supertasters?"

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007 edited
     

    Assuming the myth that all bulls charge at red is correct, it proves all bulls see the same colour, to get the same psychological reaction, so why wouldn't this be prevalent in humans?

    But, as Fact totum said, it doesn't matter,it's unlikely we'll ever know if we see the same colours as other people or not, it's all relevant to your own perception, like a lot of things.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     
    Posted By: [Expletive Deleted]

    Has anyone heard of "supertasters?"

    Sure -- recessive trait.

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    In similarily 'trained' brains then excitations occur in the roughly same place for the same stimulus. The long-standing question of perception of colors is matched also by the other senses. Does a lemon smell the same to you as me. The same applies to the taste of chocolate, the feel when your arm is stroked or a fly walks up your leg.

    There are at least twenty senses, and for most of these we cannot be sure that two brains interpret the signals from the sensors the same way. We know for sure that we can train people to see better, to listen and not just hear.

    Personally, my hearing is not good. I have a high pain tolerance - maybe my sense of touch is not well developed. As a compensatory factor when I am cooking I have an ability to taste the dish and say 'that would be improved by adding mango / peanut oil / sugar / lemon rind / roasted garlic / pastis '.

    Many have suggested that the brain can be seen as a heuristic learning device, reprogramming itself depending on its sensory input. Different sensory stimuli during early childhood definitely affects the physical brain.

    But SaperAude's question relates to perception, and until we start doing partial brain transplants that question may remain unanswered.

    • CommentAuthorRedGreg
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     

    You can only prove for certain one thing; that you yourself exist, Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum (Latin: "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am") a statement from Descartes. you just have to 'assume' that everybody else also exists and has the same if not very similar perceptions to you.Its just something you accept as a child that red is red and blue is blue unless your colour blind then it causes many problems,f we all saw colours differently more problems like that would come up

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: BlueGreg

    f we all saw colours differently more problems like that would come up

    Nope. It makes zero difference if you perceive the sky to be a different color than me -- as long as we are both consistent in our perception. If you saw the sky as what I think of as 'red' -- and we both said, "Hey, look at that beautiful blue sky" and we both stood admiring it saying, "That sure is blue", if makes no difference if we perceive that piece of the electro-magnetic spectrum differently.

    • CommentAuthorRedGreg
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     

    Your trying to say that problems would not occur if we all saw the spectrum slightly differently?

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: RedGreg

    You can only prove for certain one thing; that you yourself exist, Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum (Latin: "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am") a statement from Descartes.

    'Cogito ergo sum' is right up there with Descartes' proof of God - biggest load of recursive codswallop you can get. Bishop Berkley took a distinctly different (and much more believable) immaterialistic (??) view based on 'Esse est percipe' (or close to that anyway)

    Edit: Esse est percipi

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      CommentAuthorSapereAude
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     
    Posted By: [Expletive Deleted]

    What color do you see when you "see red?" If I see red and you see blue, then seems to me you'd be less angry...did that make sense?

    By the same token, feeling "blue" would have a whole different meaning if we really felt "red."

    Incidentally, fast food chains use bright colors like red and yellow (McDs) because psychologically, these colors make people eat faster (and a few other effects).

    All of the above suggests at least similar vision in terms of "hot and cold" colors.

    Has anyone heard of "supertasters?"

    this can be explained away by understanding that we learn colors by association. perhaps the calming feeling we all get from seeing the color green derives not from the actual color green but rather from the color we associate with nature, which is also calming. does that make sense?

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     
    Posted By: RedGreg

    Your trying to say that problems would not occur if we all saw the spectrum slightly differently?

    Yes, i believe that's exactly what he's saying.

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      CommentAuthorAthene
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     

    Let's put this into perspective. No matter how each of us individually perceives color, we all agree on simple matters. Grass (living) is green, as is the light at the bottom of a traffic signal. Fire engines, hydrants, and stop signs are red. The sky on a nice day is blue, with fluffy white clouds. It doesn't really matter if what I perceive as green is actually purple to you, because social conventions would tell us that when the green light is lit, it's time to drive, and when the red light is lit, it's time to stop. Therefore, no matter what our actual perception is or whether it's the same as anyone else's, we are agreed that those colors are green and red.

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      CommentAuthorTaed
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2007
     

    So, are you just saying that colors are a pigment of our imagination?

    (That just never stops being funny.)

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    I like that one. I hope it isn't copyright.

    How about

    All the colours of the brainbow ?
    Colour perception is intraspectral?

    Or even..

    Colour bars do not a prism make.

    mmm - I made all of those up - but a quick google shows I am not alone.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Athene

    Let's put this into perspective.

    Hi Athene..

    That is another of those 'intros' I distrust. The discourser sets the vanishing point and we all have to toe the appropriate lines.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     
    Posted By: RedGreg

    Your (sic) trying to say that problems would not occur if we all saw the spectrum slightly differently?

    I think I did more than try to say it. I'll quote myself:
    It makes zero difference if you perceive the sky to be a different color than me -- as long as we are both consistent in our perception.

    • CommentAuthorRedGreg
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     

    So how does colour blindness fit?

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     

    Colorblind people have difficulty differentiating some parts of the electromagnetic spectrum -- but they still consistently perceive a given part of the spectrum the same way each time the encounter it.

    It's not like the look at one Stop sign and say it's orange and then look at another (or the same one again) and say it's purple. The most common type of color-blindness, as I recall, is called blue-green color blindness and it causes sufferers to perceive blues and greens as gray.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     

    I wonder what the deal is with UV lights, then, as they're on a different wavelength to visible light...

    Same with laser (or LASER) pens.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     

    Er -- if they are no 'visible light' then they are -- um -- invisible.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2007
     

    That's exactly what I don't understand about ultraviolet lights. I suppose the name could just be a gimic...

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    Posted By: bufar

    _________

    = Colorblind people can dream in color.
    _________
    I think that last one is technically true, since most colorblind people can only not see one or two colors.

    I just found this beauty of a doozy...do blue greens appear grey (gray?) in their dreams? A nice green pasture, underneath a blue sky, would be a lot less pleasant if it all were grey...depressing, really. And the childhood game would be a lot different - "Red light, grey light."

    Also -

    Posted By: Trance

    Assuming the myth that all bulls charge at red is correct, it proves all bulls see the same colour, to get the same psychological reaction, so why wouldn't this be prevalent in humans?

    Bulls are colorblind. The cape is red to agitate the audience, not the bull. (He's angry enough from having swords shoved in him.) But this is another example of social perception forming individual perceptions - red is perceived as a color of agitation.

    Did the first few people on earth set up this whole color psychology thing? Maybe the chief neanderthal thought, "Well, I know when I wear this red loincloth, I have a bad day," and proceeded to vent his frustration on the rest of his small cave-orhood, by which the psychological machinery to agitate humanity when red is displayed was instilled in the subconscious of humanity. :thumbup: I think I'm on to something...or it could be that I'm reading Jung right now...

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2007
     

    Yes, but if it was the Neanderthals, it wouldn't have much effect on us.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2007
     

    Well, it may for some of the members on the site.

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    Posted By: cmseagle

    Yes, but if it was the Neanderthals, it wouldn't have much effect on us.

    Well, according to Jung, we've all got a "collective subconscious" which governs our instincts and intuition. It is different from the individual subconscious and of course the individual conscious. He proposes it's made up of "archetypes" which are basically archaic images stored in humans which dictate to be scared of snakes, sleep at night, etc.

    I don't pretend to know much about paleontology, but from my scanty knowledge it seems neanderthals predated us homos, so perhaps they contributed to this collective unconscious and color psychology.

    Of course, Freud has completely different theories than Jung, but Mama Freud, I understand, was far more attractive than Mrs. Jung...

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2007
     

    we're homo-sapiens, not Neanderthals.

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    I was always slightly uncomfortable with homo erectus.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    I was always slightly uncomfortable with homo erectus.

    Does that mean you're afraid of penis'??

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     

    *shaking head*

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: Yika
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    I was always slightly uncomfortable with homo erectus.

    Does that mean you're afraid of penis'??

    *smack

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    As my old mum used to say..

    Look after the penis and pounds will look after themselves.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: cmseagle
    Posted By: Yika
    Posted By: Paulustrious

    I was always slightly uncomfortable with homo erectus.

    Does that mean you're afraid of penis'??

    *smack

    There is definitely a need for a sarcasm bbcode :(

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    Posted By: cmseagle

    we're homo-sapiens, not Neanderthals.

    Yes, yes we are.

    Posted By: [Expletive Deleted]

    I don't pretend to know much about paleontology, but from my scanty knowledge it seems neanderthals predated us homos, so perhaps they contributed to this collective unconscious and color psychology.

    Homos, as in erectus, habilis, and sapien.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Assuming the myth that all bulls charge at red is correct, it proves all bulls see the same colour, to get the same psychological reaction, so why wouldn't this be prevalent in humans?

    Bulls do not see any colors. They charge at the quick motion of the cape. If the cape were blue, green, yellow, orange, or whatever other color, the bull would still charge.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Bulls do not see any colors.

    Oh yeah?? How do you account for the fact that gay bulls clearly prefer pink capes?

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Bulls do not see any colors.

    Oh yeah?? How do you account for the fact that gay bulls clearly prefer pink capes?

    Thats a misconception. Gay bulls do not ever prefer capes at all.

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    They do not even like cowls.

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007
     

    Cowls?

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007
     

    Gay bulls prefer cravats, duh.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007 edited
     

    And as proof here is a picture of..

    ...Clark Gaybull. He's the one that is not so horny.

    (And it really is him!)

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007
     

    That can't be him! Clark had a mustache.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007 edited
     

    Well it is. Try pencilling in a moustache on your screen.

    And check out the wings on the side of his head.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJul 22nd 2007
     
    Posted By: SapereAude

    Has anyone else considered the possibility that different people may see the same color differently?

    Maybe one person.

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2007
     

    lol. Where do you find these, Fact totum?

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      CommentAuthorYika
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2007
     

    Omg, I should win that check, I think about that same topic all the time! D:

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeJul 23rd 2007
     

    I find this stuff in the course of my research for factoids, of course.

    • CommentAuthorJesterFH
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2007 edited
     

    I have a friend who's parent's were convinced he was color blind because he thought green was orange and red was blue or some crap...brings up 2 good points though...ignorance (going with the explaination of what people think of colorblindness from before) and some weird philosophical thoughts of why we call those colors that...but that's makin my brain hurt just thinking about it...

    The point (I guess) of all this is that someone simply TOLD him that green was orange and red was blue...or some crap... and since our parents simply TOLD us that orange is orange and the like, that's just how it is...but who knows man...

    how come my parents never told me about Gendale...

    In Japan, the first traffic lights used yellow to indicate 'stop' and red to indicate 'go'.

    :devil: