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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    Been following the stock market for awhile now and have found that eventually, when using the (FS) & (PEM) I have found that patterns evolve that share similarities with trends on where the market was, is, and where it is going.

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    Okay. Now that I've heard that, my life is complete.

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    thought I'd change up the flow of things.....guess not:sad:

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    I've often wondered if the PEM wouldn't help out with the stock market in general, but I wouldn't bank on it for individual stocks.

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    What are some of the numbers behind this? I'd like to hear more...

    Also, do you know some pages where I can read more about these models? I'm not too familiar with them.

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    Fibonacci=1123581321 etc.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: zymurgy

    when using the (FS) & (PEM) I have found that patterns evolve that share similarities with trends on where the market was, is, and where it is going.

    What the hell does that mean?

    "Patterns .. share similarities with trends..." The word 'on' is dubious. And how can anything share a similarity with what is going to happen in the future? We don't know what is going to happen.

    "The temperatures we observed in February of this year have similarities with trends on the temperatures of August 2009."

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    And how can anything share a similarity with what is going to happen in the future? We don't now what is going to happen.[/p]

    "The temperatures we observed in February of this year have similarities with trendsonthe temperatures of August 2009."

    You obviously missed the whole time travel discussion. :bigsmile:

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2007
     

    anyone interested can PM me their e-mail and I'l e-mail them some of the charts I've been working on. To Fact totum, on is used to convey that the PEM and FS are first calculated then applied to the graphical charts of the market. My apologies for your confusion.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: zymurgy

    My apologies for your confusion.

    How generous.

    It's still incomprehensible.

    Posted By: zymurgy

    ...on is used to convey...

    .

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    totum, stop with your babble; submit to me a formidable challenge based on my premise and I'll gladly respond. I welcome all inquisitors on this method.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    'babble'???

    I suppose that's not way off base. How can anyone respond to an assertion about the validity of a scheme predicated on the 2nd cousin to biorhythms in a logical way?

    Posted By: zymurgy

    submit to me a formidable challenge based on my premise

    Show me a valid premise.

    Tell me what "Patterns .. share similarities with trends..." means besides, "If you look hard enough you can see the hand of God everywhere." It's double talk like I see most often in stock market spam email.

    Explain to me how your 'patterns' are similar to what is going to happen. (as you put it, "where the market is going")

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    digest this...totem if your able to osmose the info, I may choose to elaborate. As I said before, should any of you want to review the charts and apps I've been working on I will submit them to you via e-mail privately. Serious Q's only pls.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=DSTI&p=D&yr=1&mn=6&dy=0&id=p33534484771

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    I've worked in NYC in the financial industry for 20 years. I can read a chart (and create 'em) with the best of them.

    But you still refuse to state plainly what you are trying to assert.

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    I've worked in NYC in the financial industry for 20 years. I can read a chart (and create 'em) with the best of them.

    But you still refuse to state plainly what you are trying to assert.

    hmmm then you should understand where my PEM's and Fibs are placed and defined.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007 edited
     

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    going to sleep Fact.....12:30 in the am here :shocked:I'll check back later if there's any Q's from you or anyone else

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    boring hit me up with some real stuff when you get the chance

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: zymurgy

    12:30 in the am

    Cool -- you're in one of those 1/2 hr offset timezones. Australia?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    Wow.

    it just occurred to me I don't know the slightest thing about stock market.:toot:

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    It's a lot like biorhythms.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    It's a lot like biorhythms.

    Oh, it's a good job I know loads about them.:cry:

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      CommentAuthoreasyEmu
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance
    Posted By: Fact totum

    It's a lot like biorhythms.

    Oh, it's a good job I know loads about them.:cry:

    The stock market is easy to understand.

    The stock market is controlled by an oligopoly; that is comprised of thousands, but not hundreds of thousands of individuals. I guess what I mean is 90,000 financial analysts, gurus, and financial bigwigs are a small group given the more than 5 billion people who inhabit the earth.

    Anyway, this oligopoly has control of the market on a macro scale.

    Here is how it works:

    1. If the oligopoly tells everyone that the market will do bad, then it will.

    2. If the oligopoly tells everyone that the market will do good, then it will.

    You might ask, why does not the oligopoly want the market to always do well? The answer is: Because the oligopoly could not get enormously rich if the market was always on the up. Remember the principle of buy low, sell high.

    This is all you need to know! :cool:

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    The stock market is legalized gambling.

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      CommentAuthorjsimpleton
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    where do i apply to become one of the people that controls the stock market?

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2007
     

    Harvard/Yale.

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum
    Posted By: zymurgy

    12:30 in the am

    Cool -- you're in one of those 1/2 hr offset timezones.

    Nope. Just rounding to the nearest half-hour.

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    Legat and anyone else, here's some further reading on PEM.

    http://www.contrahour.com/contrahour/2006/06/martin_armstron.html

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    Zy,

    Do you drink a lot of Kool-Aid?

    (By the way, I think it's admirable that the guy who published Armstrong's work on his site included the copyright date that he's ignoring by publishing it.)

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    Zy,

    Do you drink a lot of Kool-Aid?

    (By the way, I think it's admirable that the guy who published Armstrong's work on his site included the copyright date that he's ignoring by publishing it.)

    Yup and lots of it. Particularly grape; not so much for its flavor, but because of it colour and the fact that it is only one of two words in the English language that doesn't rhyme with anything else.

    With regards to Armstrong's work, don't shoot the messenger.:sad:

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    Oh, BTW Fact, it's Guam, not Australia.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: zymurgy

    it is only one of two words in the English language that doesn't rhyme with anything else.

    Actually, I recall that there are some obscure words that rhyme with 'purple'. I think 'orange' has one or two also.

    What were the two words you were thinking of?

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      CommentAuthorzymurgy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    Those two. Purple and Orange of which I'm certain there are no words within the Occidental lexicon. Unless of course we add words such as google, lycos, or nurple.

    Fact where do you fare from?

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    Oh.. I thought you were asserting that "grape" has no rhyme.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007 edited
     

    After a quick googling (I'm tellin ya' -- that web site is going to really take off some day) I see that purple rhymes with:

    * Hirple is a British word, which means "to walk lamely or hobble".
    * Curple is a word out of Scotland, which refers to the hindquarters of a horse. The current Shorter OED lists 'curple' dating from 1591.

    'Orange' seems to truly have no word that rhymes. Surprisingly (to me at least), 'silver' apparently has no rhyme though.

    This site is pretty interesting: Click here

    I am from the NYC area.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    "Orange" rhymes with the French "orange".

    Note: Due to the abundance of joke kilers appearing on this forum, I'd like to say: that was a joke.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    "Orange" rhymes with the French "orange".

    Note: Due to the abundance of joke kilers appearing on this forum, I'd like to say: that was a joke.

    Although, if you do pronounce "orange" in the french style, then orange rhymes with branch.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Although, if you do pronounce "orange" in the french style, then orange rhymes with branch.

    If you tell that to a Parisian I would say they would then have justifiable cause to disdain you.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    What the crap, man!

    I left a note and everything!

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Although, if you do pronounce "orange" in the french style, then orange rhymes with branch.

    If you tell that to a Parisian I would say they would then have justifiable cause to disdain you.

    Pfft. Like the French need a "justifiable cause" to disdain any foreigners.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: Udoboy

    Like the French need a "justifiable cause" to disdain any foreigners.

    That's my point -- if one were to make the assertion the said Parisian would, for a change, be justified.

    (For the record, I recently spent 8 days in France, including 4 in Paris. With one exception, everyone there was very nice. The one instance of a Frenchie acting like a --er -- do__che was a more-than-middle-aged woman whom I had helped with her luggage as she struggled to get it over to an escalator. I carried it to the escalator. Up the escalator. To the train and loaded it into a luggage rack on the train for her. Ninety minutes later (I don't know if she recognized me or not -- I think not) she was blocking the aisle of the train when I had to get off. I said excuse me 4 times and she feigned deafness and/or an inability to understand "excuse me" after we had chatted in English earlier. I hip-checked her into a seat. There was much laughter in the train as I exited.)

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    she didn't want you to go, dumbass.
    :angry:

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    Since when is this an economic discussion forum? I think that the only cool thing about money is its utter lack of value aside from that given to it by the people who decide to use it. Government conspiracy I say, going off the Gold standard. I only spend the real silver coins and the old silver and gold notes. You might say "But shades, arent those hard to come by?!?!?!" but I would have to say, "HELL FRIGGIN YEAH!!!" lucky me I dont spend much money living here at the peak of the Matterhorn. My only real monetary system is that I use to buy evil knievel gloves from myself (I am so stupid). So, take this PEM (Please Eradicate ME) and your FS (Farts Sniffer) and leave here before I throw you from the frigid peaks of the 'Horn to the warm verdant fields below (ultimately ending in your death, since despite their warmth and undeniable verdancy it is quite a freakishly long drop from the tippity top, where I reside using only my wits, my hands, and several very powerful solar panels to communicate with a satellite to receive ONLY gullible.info).

    And voila, the answer to this conversation has been elucidated byt the great Shades O' Sisyphus.

    Thanks can be mailed to eat.my.tooshie@biteme.com

    That was unneccessary(sp?) I apologize

    Not really.

    Anyway... I dont like economics, it bores me... Good day sir.

    :words:

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007 edited
     

    Could be -- perhaps she had a crush on me. I did try talking to her with an out-ray-jee-us French ax-ent. Or maybe she wanted me to hang around to help her again with her luggage later.

    Who you calling dumbass??

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     
    Posted By: shadesofsisyphus

    I only spend the real silver coins and the old silver and gold notes.

    If everyone else is willing to accept the new currency which you think is worth less than the old stuff, you should spend the new stuff and only accept the old stuff. (Duh)

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    sorry. i thought it was cute.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007
     

    After a while, you'll be coming back to paper currency. A green bill is money; not verse versa. A coin is money, not vice versa. Gold is money, not vise versa.............

    See the point?

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2007 edited
     

    Gold is, actually, an exception. It has intrinsic value as a conductor, for instance. At my my first job we had 2 old IBM 1130 emulations. When they became hopelessly obsolete (as opposed to merely run-of-the-mill obsolete) we sold them for a fortune because all the connections inside were made of gold.

    Diamonds, on the other hand, have negligible intrinsic value -- they can be used to create saws and blades and stuff -- but their market value is astronomical due to relative scarcity and relative high demand due largely to marketing.

    --edit-- I forgot to add: Dumbass.

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    Not at all, or vice versa. Please expound upon this presumption you so erroniously espouse (sorry, the large words earlier in the thread made me kind of crazy...)

    And the only things on earth worth anything are things with limited quantities, i.e. why diamonds are so expensive.

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    Me? A dumbass? oh, I think not Mr. Poopy pants. Yours is the ass of no intelligence. It has neither common sense nor "book-lernin'" as they say in the south, while mine is exceptionally well educated. So there. What up now sucka?!?!?!