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Posted By: VanCampOoo,here's a question: What's that big glob in the center of the galaxy in all the artist's renditions?I've always read that it's a black hole,but then I see pictures of black holes,and they look completely different.What's up with that?!
Also,I'm having second thoughts about the galaxy/white hole theory.If white holes exume tiny gravitized masses,then there's really no way that there would be gravity for the galaxy to stay in shape,unless the gravity from said particles is great enough to hold it together,and if this is the case,then everything will eventually pack in on the white hole.I can't think of what would happen,but it would be unspeakable.
If the center of the Milky Way is a black hole,then we are doomed and should have sex with all the hot chicks and shoot ourselves.
We are kind of getting off subject though.I almost forgot that this was about time travel.
The black hole is not THAT big. What you are seeing is the cluster of billions of stars or so around it as well as a few gas clouds as well.
BTW this is my first post 
Maybe it would be wise to introduce yourself in the "introduce yourself" thread. 
LOL!!!! "The black hole is not THAT big."
I think that's is going to be one of my favorite quotes
In comparison with the universe, nothing is THAT big.
Not even a large poptart!
A large poptart named Terrance, that is.
with square pants.
I'm not gonna take the time to re-read what I wrote,but I don't ever remember mentioning the size of the black hole.
Posted By: jsimpleton
LOL!!!! "The black hole is not THAT big."
I think that's is going to be one of my favorite quotes
Everything is relational... so youc an't quite argue it
Hey,ya know what? Screw time travel.
ok once more its not THE SPEED OF LIGHT black holes in relationship to time travel is blah blah blah gravity... blah blah ok thats all fine and dandy but the speed is determined from E=MC2... ... ... SQUARED not faster than the speed of light faster than the SQUARE of the speed of light, and there is no "EVIDENCE" of black holes either, its a theory and so are white holes... in fact so is pretty much everything in cosmology since none of it can actually be proven as of yet. Now all this works on paper according to formulas... but so does 1 + 1 = 3... we proved it in calculus in high school. What matters is what can ACTUALLY be done. like your nifty 1, -1,2,-2 trick to convince me that any amount of something can be both infinite AND countable... when I said logic I meant real world, numbers are symbols to visualize an abstract idea... they mean nothing. Yes you can always add one more to something so ABSTRACTLY you can have an infinite countable anything... but in reality something cannot have no end and have an end at once... the end
Wait, what?
If it's infinitely countable it just means you'll be counting for infinity, but it's still possible!
These arguments are all so twisted that it's impossible to respond. Trance is right, that's an illogical point. Not to mention that we DO know black holes exist, but most of you are assuming them to be something that IS a theory.
A black hole is simply a massive clump of gravity created by an unknown source. Einstein believed it was a hole in time-space, some of you thing it's a wormhole, which is something entirely different.
A black hole is what becomes of a star if it implodes and has a big enough mass.
I think cmseagle's right, you may be confusing them with wormholes.
"Alias_Facto".... im doing a masters degree in theoretical physics... and I honestly do not have a clue what you are talking about 
Alias_Facto:
Please, introduce yourself, I'd like to know more about you.
well cmseagle, we only know black holes exist through circumstantial evidence: their gravitational footprint. Of course noone has ever seen one, so we have no idea what happens beyond the event horizon. It is perfectly possible that a black hole is an entrance into another universe that has all its mass concentrated through a singularity... it's something I've thought about and called "drip theory", but I'm sure that other people have thought about it too. The idea is that a 'hole' is pricked in the space time fabric and matter and energy falls through into a new universe, kind of like a balloon with an infinitesimally thin neck.
just thoughts though.
Posted By: Alias_Factothere is no "EVIDENCE" of black holes either
Of course there is. It may not be "conclusive evidence", but there is some evidence and it seems pretty strong. The way light bends weirdly in some areas of space -- the way the orbits of some stars wobble a little in some areas. That's what is generally referred to as 'evidence'.
Isn't there also no conclusive evidence for molecules? Most scientists, if not all, appreciate they exist.
What evidence do you have, Alias_facto, to disprove black holes?
As a matter of fact, I was viewing some pictures from an x-ray telescope (one of the "big four" of which the Hubble is another...) that has fairly conclusive evidence that what we theorize to be black holes do indeed exist. Perhaps they aren't exactly what we envision, but they behave as expected.
Yeah -- I think most astrophysicists would say black holes exist. It would depend on where you draw the line of 'conclusive'.
time travel is not possible because time doesnt exist. dimensions dont exist. the world doesnt exist. matter doesnt exist. energy doesnt exist. i dont exist and you dont exist. the only thing that exists is one imagination. it would be your imagination if you really existed but you really dont you are just imagining it. 
Posted By: Fizztime travel is not possible because time doesnt exist. dimensions dont exist. the world doesnt exist. matter doesnt exist. energy doesnt exist. i dont exist and you dont exist. the only thing that exists is one imagination. it would be your imagination if you really existed but you really dont you are just imagining it.
Even I can see holes in your statement. I can only begin to imagine what the "smart ones" will have to say about this. 
Posted By: GiftedByTheBottleEven I can see holes in your statement. I can only begin to imagine what the "smart ones" will have to say about this.
you are only imagining the holes.
He's a solipsist, methinks.
Wow, I've never met one before!
Hmm... I really don't like your comments.
I've got a photograph of a black hole
Hello, Fizz. There are few good limericks. Here is one of them...
There once was a man who said, “God
Must think it exceedingly odd
If He finds that this tree
Continues to be
When there’s no one about in the Quad.”
“Dear Sir:
Your astonishment’s odd:
I am always about in the Quad
And that’s why the tree
Will continue to be,
Since observed by,
Yours faithfully,
God.”
So you take an Hylastic rather than Philonic perspective then?
I have enjoyed reading dozens of alleged occurrences of genuine, physical time travel and would really like to believe that they are true. But relatively recently, I encountered a considerable obstacle to my accepting that practical time travel as a layman such as myself imagines it is possible: If the Earth is constantly spinning and circling the Sun, and if the Sun is constantly moving through the Milky Way, and if the Milky Way itself is also constantly moving through the Universe, then it would seem right to assert that the Earth is never in the same space position twice. And if that is the case, then would not anyone who might enter into a time machine in Florida and travel several years into the future reappear millions of miles away from the Earth, which would have since ten years past moved a great distance away from where it was when the time machine vanished into the future?
The popular website Wikipedia's own entry on time travel addresses this very issue. However, the solution that follows it seems to consist of a cop-out that uses Einstein's brilliant Theory of Special Relativity to basically skirt the issue by asserting that spatial locations are completely relative and, therefore, irrelevant.
In order to accept that practical time travel is possible, must I be sacrifice my understanding that our planet is not stationary in space? Say it isn't so!
It's your fantasy; you can spin it any way you want. If it were mine, it would include traveling to Bridget Bardot's bedroom in the 60s -- wherever it might be.
If you could create a machine that, instead of traveling through time, let time travel quicker around it, the machine could 'travel' into the future.
Kinda like installing some sort of perception filter in a machine, where time seems to move a lot quicker than it actually is (or is perceived to be, by everybody else).
It's kind of hard to put into words...
But - hey, if you could create a machine that can travel through time and space, it'd be relatively easy to get back to Earth.
Have you never watched Doctor Who!!?? You have to GROW a time machine!!!!!!!!!!
I always wondered if it was possible to travel forwards in time, or slow down time by traveling round the earth many times.
If you fly from, say the UK to France, you cross into another time zone. So you have traveled for, say half an hour, and the time is now an hour ahead. So say you go around the world once. You pass through 24 hours worth of time zones. So, if the flight took no time at all, you would land 24 hours after you took off. (I think, this is where my theory is a bit dodgy). But, say the flight took 12 hours (a but more reasonable) for every lap of the earth, you would land 36 hours after you took off. Take, say 365 laps round the earth, you will have aged only 6 months, but everyone else would have aged 18 months. Thus you have traveled a year into the future!!!
I'm sure my theory must be flawed somewhere because it is so simple!!!! But hey, what if it worked!?
Gary
Don't follow me I walk into lampposts
Huh?
Just because my watch has only gone forward two hours, doesn't mean my body has.
if six months passes, it doesn't matter whether I'm in a traveling car (assuming it's not traveling at the speed of light or faster) or sat down in a chair, I still get six months older...Don't I?
Posted By: fatlardoHave you never watched Doctor Who!!??
Most of the active users here live in America.
Who?
If you're standing atop a moving train and jump straight up, do you not land atop the train, in the same spot from which you jumped?
It is so with time travel. If you "jump" forward, you continue to have the momentum you had before, and will arrive in the same place. Of course, the danger is that if you jump forward, and somebody uses your time machine as their personal locker in the 10 years you're gone, you may wind up attempting to occupy the same position in time-space as their stuff, and die instantaneously.
But hey, that's the risk you take in the name of science.
(This post dedicated to the memory of Albert Jacobs, PhD.)
Time travel is possible. All we have to do is pray :)