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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007 edited
     

    I don't think that time travel is possible, at least going backwards in time. What do you think?

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    Where is the poll?

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007 edited
     

    I accidentally pressed post. I didn't mean to press anything. Sorry! Since You Posted, there are now 2 space wasting discussions.

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    I christen this thread 'Cave of nothingness II'

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007
     

    Wow! A sequel already!

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007
     

    I'll rename them soon o have some sort of topic so it's not a complete waste!

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    Cave of Nothingness II

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007
     

    I've decided. Time Travel Discussion!

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      CommentAuthoreasyEmu
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2007 edited
     

    Of course it is possible. Each time some future being travels into the past, that being is inevitably the cause of some past effect. That effect will be a branching in the space-time continuum just like in Back To The Future. Now, what this implies is that there are literally infinite, yet countable, branches that exist on the space-time continuum tree.

    Each space-time branch leads into a different dimension; this is why we are able to completely avoid all time traveling beings. Since you were born, you may have been in contact with many time travelers, but at the exact moment they came into your life, your new life with them would branch away from your main life. Every person has one existence that is unalterable while alive. Every person has many different existences that they are not aware of in this particular instance of their unalterable being. The different existences exist in different dimensions, and you do not have knowledge of the experiences of the other dimensional instances of yourself.

    It is worth noting that, because the other dimensional instances of your being are not aware of your main being actions and vice versa, that once your main being dies, the other dimensional instances of your being may continue to live. One thing I do not believe in is traveling to other dimensions, because if this could happen, then there would be all sorts of negative consequences that would lead to our Universe's untimely demise. I would go into this, but it is far too advanced for this particular thread.

    One could argue for inter-dimensional travel with twins, dopplegängers, and Elvis sightings, but I really think while twins are easily explainable by means of biology, to me, the latter subjects are nothing more than rubbish. Additionally, one may ask, how can I be sure I am my main unalterable self and not some particular branch in my life tree? The answer is not always known. If a time traveler reveals himself to you, then you know; unless they are crazy. Otherwise, you are just screwed.
    :billnye:

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    :shocked::words:

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007 edited
     

    Interesting. Those are some of Bob Bryton's idead, no?

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    What you don't realize is that you never "regress to a previous life" during hypnosis but merely have premonitions of future lives wherein your spirit is "reincarnated" in the past. :krad:

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    The different existences exist in different dimensions, and you do not have knowledge of the experiences of the other dimensional instances of yourself.

    Why not? If time traveling is a manipulated process, why do you not have knowledge of yourself in another dimension?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Because the moment you do, you're two people.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    So the other person will just be? I am 24 and if I were to time travel, I'll just be 24 in another dimension as if that were the first day of my life?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    You'd think it was the first day of your life, but you've actually been living for 24 years, in that dimension, just only been conciously active in that dimension for one day.

    We're all living in different dimensions right now.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007 edited
     

    What's the point of time traveling if you don't remember the past or have the knowledge of yourself.

    edit: that's not a question even though it starts with a "what."

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Haoest

    What's the point of time traveling if you don't remember the past or have the knowledge of yourself.

    You can't know that for sure unless you time travel.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    If the other dimension has totally nothing to do with this instance, that means all the matters, energy, and God in that dimension have to be a duplication. Where would all these "stuff" come from? And the more you travel, the more duplications there will be. Stuff can't just come out of nothing, especially when everyone creates their own time machine.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Haoest

    What's the point of time traveling if you don't remember the past or have the knowledge of yourself.

    edit: that's not a question even though it starts with a "what."

    Actually, it's called a "rhetorical question."

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    I agree now. I don't have a fucking clue why I exist in this dimension anyway.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Haoest

    . Where would all these "stuff" come from?

    Where did this universe come from?

    The existance of these dimensions is debatable, at best, assuming they do exist does not mean we have to assume they are all duplications.

    Even if they are, who's to say they're duplications of this universe? We could be living in the last duplicaton of an original universe or universes.

    Posted By: Haoest

    I agree now. I don't have a fucking clue why I exist in this dimension anyway.

    Agree with whom?

    Who does know why they're here?

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Oh, I was thinking, when time traveling is a manipulated process, you would want to have a point because I doubt it's cheap.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Trance
    Posted By: Haoest

    . Where would all these "stuff" come from?

    Where did this universe come from?

    The existance of these dimensions is debatable, at best, assuming they do exist does not mean we have to assume they are all duplications.

    Even if they are, who's to say they're duplications of this universe? We could be living in the last duplicaton of an original universe or universes.

    The only way one dimension can have nothing to do with another is if they were totally seperate so that if a nuclear war destroys dimension A, dimension B would carry on.

    And when one can travel as many times as he wants, he's intentionally creating another dimension, and everything in it.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    They may well be seperate, kind of like different pages in the same book, if one is destoryed, you can travel to another which may be exactly the same as your previous, or completely different. We can't know for sure,yet.

    Just because you're traveling through dimensions, doesn't mean you're creating them.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    easyEmu's post gives me impression of that, and you said it too:

    Posted By: Trance

    Because the moment you do, you're two people.

    Time traveling is paradoxical -- backward, that is.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    What I meant when I said you become two people, was that if you could find a way to move to dimension B with memory of your former life in dimension A, and then came back to dimension A with memory of your life in dimenion B, you would be two people, living in two dimensions, because your memory is commited to one brain, even though your brain is only in one physical body.

    That was one long sentance.

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Man, we all sound like Britney Spears now. Way to put ourselves down.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    What are you talking about?

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      CommentAuthorHaoest
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    LOL. I am not into pop culture, but that britney spear thing is something you should at least heard of.
    She got high on drug and KFed recorded it. Flurl it up :smile: .

    All these women have everything but personality and intelligence, what a shame.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Haoest

    All these women have everything but personality and intelligence, what a shame.

    and hair

    "Is that possible? To time travel speed?"

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Wait, so she talked about time travel and dimensions while on drugs?

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Wait, so she talked about time travel and dimensions while on drugs?

    No, sadly she was trying to figure out if Back to the Future really happened or was fiction.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    In the past minute I've traveled forward 60 seconds.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    When I sleep I travel anywhere between 5 and 11 hours into the future.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Fact totum

    In the past minute I've traveled forward 60 seconds.

    By not traveling.

    That's Taoism right there!

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      CommentAuthorMonetdell
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    I do agree that travelling to the past is not only hard and possibly impossible but dangerous. but Time travel into the distant future using a machine yet remaining the same age is tht possible?

    i think it would be perfectly safe if you could travel in time like a invisible thing, as in nobody can see u, just like we think that lower dimensions (in this instance i mean 3d and tht not universe style) cannot see higher but we can see them, so we could travel through time and look how a hole would to a 1d person (not actually possible to have) they would not see or be able to pass throuugh to us or interact with us, like we react with air.
    you get me?
    sorry my description isn't very good its the only way i can think of saying it
    so we are like inside a bubble in the time stream.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    I kind of get you. Interesting idea, bringing geometry into the discussion.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Monetdell

    I do agree that travelling to the past is not only hard and possibly impossible but dangerous.

    Look what almost happened in "Back to the Future"!

    you get me?

    Sure! It's sort of like what happened to Scrooge and the ghosts in Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol

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      CommentAuthorMonetdell
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    yep thts actually a nice (if funny) way of putting it.
    the perfect thing would be a time machine tht let u travel through time like the scrooge ghosts but u have control of what date u go to and where.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Monetdell

    I do agree that travelling to the past is not only hard and possibly impossible but dangerous. but Time travel into the distant future using a machine yet remaining the same age is tht possible?

    I don't see too much point in that, if you can't come back, unless you want to be a "historian." Or dissected.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Or lost.

    Or Jesus.

    • CommentAuthorianweller
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    Time travel already exists. I am currently traveling forward in time now.

    If you are asking about traveling backwards, or staying stationary (time-wise) for a while (which cannot be defined when time is stationary o.0), or moving faster than normal, I believe in either two theories, based on my mood, and which personality is currently awake.

    The first one is based on the fact that we've already done this. It relies deeply with the entire idea of deja vu; yeah, it really has already happened. As we travel forward in this universe, we screw it up. The very heart of time is being eaten up by some black hole on a joyride. And so time screws up.

    The next one is based on the fact that time travel -- other than forward at a constant rate -- is itself impossible. Think about it this way, if you can: let us say that one person travels back in time. He has already changed the timeline just by doing that alone -- an additional person on a subway, an additional person ordering coffee. According to chaos theory, that could do anything and cause any help or harm to the state of everybody's minds and the universe. In addition, it does not matter what you do in that time, because what you do outside of your own time has already or will already have happened. Therefore, attempting to change the 2000 election results or the most used fuel in the U.S. won't affect the present, whatever that is. In addition, because this creates the biggest loophole in people's heads, there are two theories about what could happen; nothing could happen, or everything could spontaneously explode.

    Share and enjoy.

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      CommentAuthoreasyEmu
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Interesting. Those are some of Bob Bryton's idead, no?

    Well, I thought they were mostly Doc's and a little bit of my own, but someone else could have come up with them first.

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     

    The way I see it is, if you were to travel backwards in time, you wouldn't know it, because you'd be affected, too. Any machine you built wouldn't hold up, because backwards time would undo its creation, therefore you could never know that you had traveled. You would be affected just as much (e.g. Any memory patterns on your brain of the future would be erased by backwards time. You would get younger, and nothing would change. You'd be stuck in a time warp, so to speak. You'd only ever get as far as the moment you went back in time. As for the dimensions theory, that has nothing to do with what I just said, and I don't think we have the power to travel into other dimensions anyway, even if they do exist.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
     

    Ever wonder if the increase in Cancer is caused by something other than what we think it is? I think it's something like what nyarfdude said. Nobody would know that time has changed. But who's to say it's not constantly being changed constantly? We may not have the technology now, but that doesn't really matter. If at any time in the future or on any other planet or any other universe or any other dimension for that matter. If any one or any thing time travels and touches our dimension at any point in time previous to us now, everyone and every thing would be effected in that dimension from that point forward.

    You could even look at it this way: Even if Time travel or Dimensional travel is impossible in our dimension, if it's possible in another for them to touch ours, then we would all be effected.

    Who knows what side effects there could be to it? And nobody would ever know the side effects were actually side effects because our stream is constantly shifting without us being aware in the slightest. As far as you know, every memory from this #1 back throughout your entire life is all just a shifted memory. Or maybe it's this 1? :0).

    Also with that and nyarfdudes theories together (with us time traveling) we would never learn our lesson, because we'd never know we'd done it before. So we'd continue to do it over and over and over, despite any consequences.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: nyarfdude

    The way I see it is, if you were to travel backwards in time, you wouldn't know it, because you'd be affected, too. Any machine you built wouldn't hold up, because backwards time would undo its creation, therefore you could never know that you had traveled. You would be affected just as much (e.g. Any memory patterns on your brain of the future would be erased by backwards time. You would get younger, and nothing would change. You'd be stuck in a time warp, so to speak. You'd only ever get as far as the moment you went back in time. As for the dimensions theory, that has nothing to do with what I just said, and I don't think we have the power to travel into other dimensions anyway, even if they do exist.

    If you built a time machine and kept it for a year before traveling back in time 6 months, the time machine would still exist, therefore you could go forward in time 6 months again, thus, avoiding the loop, you could even bring someone with you, and they could meet themselves in the future.

    On a sidenote: I was cruising a metaphysical forum the other day(well, month, I don't visit them much, it's a lot of professors exchanging too much jargon for my liking), and came across a theory that the past, future, and hypothetical presents are all happening now, just on a different wavelength, similar to seperate dimensions, just restricted to time. Anybody have any information on that? I'm eager to learn more.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Anybody have any information on that?

    Yes. Well, I mean I will have information on that. Yesterday. Ask me then.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance, yesterday

    Posted By: Trance, tommorrow

    Anybody have any information on that?

    Hey, Fact totum, you have any information on that?

    I already did.

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    Did anybody ever watch this show?