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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2006 edited
     

    :angel:
    Want to debate/prove the existence/non existence of a divine being? Wanting to discuss the morality of scientific projects? Post it here.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     

    Is Reese Witherspoon a goddess?

    Or just my dream girl?

    Debate.

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2006
     

    goddess

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    Goddess... though i think that kiera knightly is hotter:bigsmile:

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006
     

    I agree, you should rent the movie "The Hole". However both are mere mortals compaired to the perfection that is Jessica Alba.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2006 edited
     

    Kiera Knightly performed in a remake of Dr. Zhivago. She does a topless scene. She has no boobs. Not "small boobs," I mean she could pass for a boy when topless.

    Bridget Fonda was a total hottie when she was younger.

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    Hmm... didn't know that... but Jessica Alba is also pretty hot in Sin CIty...

    Question for you guys: When it the next sin city coming out?

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      CommentAuthorlegatissimo
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006 edited
     

    The Official Religious Thread

    Posted By: Udoboy

    Kiera Knightly performed in a remake of Dr. Zhivago. She does a topless scene. She has no boobs. Not "small boobs," I mean she could pass for a boy when topless.

    Bridget Fonda was a total hottie when she was younger.

    One of these things is not like the other.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     

    You hush. I prefer small, but I do want something to get ahold of.

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     

    amen to that

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     
    Posts from "are we the only inteleagent lifeform in the galaxy" thread.
    (p.s. Read this before you post or you will be lost)
    (p.p.s. Try to keep it out of the gutter this time)

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    Frizzer:

    Personally I've never been able to swallow one religion over another. Picking one is like slapping every other religion in the face and calling them wrong. Though I guess a lot of humans do that all the time every day :0). Just for example, a couple things about Christianity. How could anyone in Heaven be happy knowing so many of your fellow souls are in Hell? Or someone you loved in life the same way. On another point, if I absolutely KNEW that Christianity was real and all that goes with it, I'd be out in a heartbeat killing babies... yes I just said killing babies. I would sacrifice my soul easily if I knew I could guarantee even 2 other souls while they were in a state that would guarantee passage to Heaven. How could an honest to god Christian, one that fully believes all of it, have a baby and then risk their own childs soul by letting it live this short life here on earth? Anyway, I have lots of silly musings like this. And don't worry about telling me about my bad grammar and spelling. I never said I was good at either :0p.

    My 1 1/2 cents, feel free to comment :0p.

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    D League:

    That is frekin evil.

    By the way, Christianity is very real. So is Jewdisim, Islam, ect. As for knowing that everything about it is true, that would mean you can't show faith in it. The reason for a Christian having the child in the first place is to teach them to do good and limit the evil in this world. By killing the babies, you would never actually let them experience life and make a diference in this world. They would never be able to define who they are by their actions and would be, in a sense, souless. I think that would be a far worse fate than living through life and going to Hell and there for a very unchrisitan thing to do.

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    Frizzer:

    So what your saying is God wants us to believe that the religion we pick is the RIGHT one and that all others are wrong? In other words saying that our judgment is superior to nearly everyone else? No matter what religion you look at, there are believers that believe without a doubt, they say they have talked/felt God. And KNOW that their path is the RIGHT one. How can I point at one man and say He's right, and point at another and say He's wrong? For that matter, how can anyone.

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    D League:

    Obviously the religion you pick is the one you think is right. If you didn't think it was, why would you pick it? I put faith in Christianity not because of the miricals that god made happen, but because of the lessons the miricals teach. The mirical is nothing compaired to the moral it delivers.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    From my point of view, there is far too much "Man" in religions and churches. I don't believe any religion that exists now is right through and through. They have all been manipulated by Man. And to choose one is not only having faith in God, but of every Man who has ever had the power to effect the religions evolution.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I belive that the most and the least (or at least the most interestingly) manipulated religion would be that of Islam. It has no centeral authority like the vatican to tell it's followers how to live their lives, but it does have smaller pockets of extreamists that take advantage of this freedom.

    Unfourtunatly, God's message must be passed from human to human. It's like a big game of telephone with many diferent recivers.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Yeah, I always liked the saying "I believe in God, not religion".

    Wouldn't God being all knowing negate free will? If he's all knowing, he would have known when he created us exactly what every one of us would ever do. He could decide to make us this way or that way, all effecting our paths through the generations. So in a sense him choosing exactly how he created us and how he interacted with us caused all of us to do exactly what we are doing, have done, and ever will do. It's like marbles on a table, if you knew everything that would happen when you chose to hit this marble or that marble, it was you who knowingly caused everything that happened.

    On an off note, I'd like to take this chance to say something about myself. Any argument I make does not necessarily include my beliefs. I just enjoy discussions about this sort of thing. I also know that a lot of questions I pose are unanswerable, but I very much enjoy listening to other peoples thoughts, beliefs, and ideas. So I truly hope nobody takes any offense in anything I say and instead just look at them as musings. Tis how I look at them myself.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    And thank you D League for carrying all that over. I may jump around with questions, but feel free to talk about any of them. I'll try and keep up :0p.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    But if God made a plan for all of us, and it cannot be changed, then surely there's no such thing as free will, because we are carrying out God's will not our own.

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    Wow - this is a good conversation. Mind if I jump in on "God's plan"? I do believe in predestination but I also believe in free will. Here's how - just because God knows in advance what choices we are going to make in life doesn't mean that He's made the choices for us.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Who's to say he can't change it?, I mean if he disagreed with something we wanted to do in the future (which he already knows about anyway) and decided something better could be done in place, he could change it, and nobody on Earth would ever know, therefore the person has no free will.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Perhaps God has a "plan" but it's not a predestined, sure-to-happen plan, but rather a general idea. Like "Some time down the road, Man will discover faster-than-light space travel and visit the planet Quexnar, where they will meet my other children." But for now, he's just sitting back and watching us use our free will to nearly annihilate each other.

    As one author put it, you can't build the railroad till it's time for railroading. IE, it came at just the right time. Coincidence, or Divine Intervention, to further the plan?

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    Oh, I'm sure he does that every now and again to keep our 'civilization' from going down the tubes. Those situations are called miracles. He also sends us prophets like Budha, Christ, Mohammed, etc. every millenium or so to influence us, but the ultimate choice is still ours to make. He knows when he needs to intervene and when He needs to let things be.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Aah,but I was referring to God's plan for each human being seperatly, not generally just mankind, sorry.

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    Ahhhh... but sometimes, God's plan for an individual human being can effect mankind in general. Six degrees of separation and all that, ya know... Ever seen "It's A Wonderful Life"??? :wink:

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Never heard of it, sorry :confused:

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    It's a great holiday movie (some have even called it the best ever) made in the post-war 40's - you should catch it sometime.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    Perhaps God's plan is set up like a maze. He shows us the begining, but there may be more than one way through.
    We need a deep thought smiley.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I think :rolling: works well

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    That's more of an "I lost my mind several years ago and don't care about it smiley." I was thinking somthing along the line of The Thinker at the DIA would be better.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Well, I don't know about you, but when i'm in deep thought I don't tend to sit on a rock, naked, and place my head on my fist. It's more like :rolling:.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I don't do that either. When I think really hard it looks somthing like this :xd:.
    and when I'm done thinking I look somthing like this :toot:.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    How come none of these smilies(?) have any bodies? :rasta:

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    Posted By: Trance

    How come none of these smilies(?) have any bodies?:rasta:" alt=":rasta:" src="/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/cool/rasta.gif">

    because I hate bodies :argh:

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Do you have a body? or are you a floating head smily too? :shocked::surprised::wink:

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    How would I live without a body? :confused:

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    Sorry, I am totally derailing this thread. Back on topic:

    My thought is that one could understand everything that has happened as a series of causal relationships, which could then be used to extrapolate future effects. And one could figure out everything that's going to happen. But until it happens it's all just theory. Sure it will probably shake out as anticipated, but it doesn't have to work out in any way particular.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    So you mean you can use the past to predict, and furthermore, control the future?

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    I don't think you can use it to control. But absolutely you can use the past to predict. We've been doing that on a non-cosmic scale for a long time.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    But if you can predict the future, surely you can induce some sense of control into it? I mean if you know what's happening, and why, you can avoid it, right?

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    But when you understand the grand interactions of it all, I'm sure changing or exerting control would seem fairly pointless. And then there are something you just can't control. Also, there are some situations that foreknowledge can make a difference, but plenty where it cannot. I know if I hold a ball up at waist height and let go of it, it's going to fall. I can stop myself from letting go of it, but I can't stop it once it's falling, even though I know what's going to happen.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I guess you can't change the future, because the moment you do, you make the future.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I always wondered why God put us here in the first place. Some people say he did it to test us, to see if we are good enough for heaven.
    Why bother though? Why not save us some trouble and make us perfect? Did he just get bored being the only intelligent being in the universe?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Maybe we are all just one very large game to God.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Maybe it was accidental? who's to say God is perfect anyway? I mean isn't perfection imperfection?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    God said he was perfect. Refernces: Bible, Koran, Tora...

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    How can something be perfect though? Is it possible? I mean saying your perfect is a little big headed, no?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    Saying your God could also be taken to be a little big headed, unless you are God.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    This is very weird. Try having two conversations at the same time with the smae person on different subjects.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Well I suppose that depends on how people look onto God, if people think he is an omnipotent, omniscient being, then yes I suppose it could be big headed, but then if people see God as the same being that crated the Earth and then made things such as Earthquakes to kill innocent people, then no, they wouldn't see it as big headed.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Maybe it was accidental? who's to say God is perfect anyway? I mean isn't perfection imperfection?

    How to you screw up that badly? "Oops, I just made the Universe. Shucks, I hate it when that happens."
    :bigsmile:

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Ah hah!, I kinda meant like, in Heaven people might make universes every day, with their own people and everyone's a God!

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Trance

    Well I suppose that depends on how people look onto God, if people think he is an omnipotent, omniscient being, then yes I suppose it could be big headed, but then if people see God as the same being that crated the Earth and then made things such as Earthquakes to kill innocent people, then no, they wouldn't see it as big headed.

    These earthquakes that kill people may also be to test us. To what end I don't know, but, to be metaphorical agian, stew without salt is dull. They bring out the best and the worst in people to test our morals.

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