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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    It's hard to perceive a life without time.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    (brain hemorages again and covers screen after overheating from too much use)

    Posted By: Trance

    Are we going to Hell for badmouthing God?

    I don't think so. We arn't badmouthing him by theorizing.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I hope you're right :wink:

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Trance

    It's hard to perceive a life without time.

    Can you have a life without time?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    Well God can, according to Fizzer, and before Time began there might have been life.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Perhaps we can, just not a life that we can comprehend.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    It's a very interesting subject.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    One of the fun little theories I always liked was that in order for a God to be born, it had to experience everything. Our humanity is just ticking away until it experiences every event possible within our boundaries. Then continue on with our "education" until we have reached that point. Us being Gods "child" :0p. Of course with the whole time thing, this is all just an instant event, though without time, instant isn't the right word. It has just always been, along with everything else. Thats even wrong, because without time there is no always, it just IS.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: Trance

    It's a very interesting subject.

    And that's why I've kept at this thread for well over three hours.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Fizzer

    One of the fun little theories I always liked was that in order for a God to be born, it had to experience everything. Our humanity is just ticking away until it experiences every event possible within our boundaries. Then continue on with our "education" until we have reached that point. Us being Gods "child" :0p. Of course with the whole time thing, this is all just an instant event, though without time, instant isn't the right word. It has just always been, along with everything else. Thats even wrong, because without time there is no always, it just IS.

    If God came first, what would God have expirenced?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    And if he knows all? why?

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Thats the thing that we can't grasp. Because if time is just for us, then God just IS. There isn't a first, last, or in between. Everything just IS, all events and all things.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Think of it this way, if EVERYTHING just IS. If there is no time for God. Wouldn't that make him all knowing? Wouldn't that explain how he could know everything? It doesn't take time to learn anything, everything is.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    So if there's no time, there's no future.... So it would make knowing what we would perceive as the future a plausable idea.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    yeah, everything we will ever do, everything we have done. It just all is.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    (brain hemorages again and covers screen after overheating from too much use)

    Posted By: Fizzer

    Thats the thing that we can't grasp. Because if time is just for us, then God just IS. There isn't a first, last, or in between. Everything just IS, all events and all things.

    I agree.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Although I'd prefer a life with time and knowing only the past, than a life without time and knowing all.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I mean if there's an end, it encourages you to keep going, maybe that's why time exists.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    From your perspective. How can you choose one over the other when you've don't know what it's like in the other. There is another thought, maybe God made us in our time stream so that he could come here and experience it for himself? It'd be like us vacationing in space because we got bored of Gravity :0).

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    The tough thing about time is that there is an end. If you look at one life compared to the whole known human time span, things can get a bit depressing :0p. If you lined up the whole time span in a row, you wouldn't even see a blink from one life to another. It'd be more like a blink between one civilization and another. And thats only the KNOWN human span!

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: Fizzer

    From your perspective. How can you choose one over the other when you've don't know what it's like in the other. There is another thought, maybe God made us in our time stream so that he could come here and experience it for himself? It'd be like us vacationing in space because we got bored of Gravity :0).

    Why would any greater entity want to visit earth?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Why would anybody want to experience a life with time when they already know everything?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    That too.
    (123! :toot:)

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Why would anyone want to play in Zero Gs when they already know what it's like?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    Ha! I had the 123rd post!
    :dumb::krad::swingin::toot:
    Counting down to 1234th...

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Yeah, We haven't done about G forces in school yet...

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    I've changed my mind.
    It all just may be like why we play games like Halo. It would suck to acutaly live there, but we can pull out of that world at any time back into our own.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Basically, why would anyone want to go hang out in space where you can float around without gravity if you already know what thats like. No matter if you know what it's like, you still want to do it again.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    It would only suck to live there compared to our own world though, if the characters in Halo were asked if they wanted to live in our world, having never experienced it before, I wonder how many would say yes...

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Are you saying God is addicted to our universe? Don't we come with a warning lable?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    But how do we know God has the same human urges we do?

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Ugh, I miss Halo and CS :0(. Live in an area where you can only get Dialup so I'm stuck with World of Warcraft :0p.

    Sorry bout the offtopic *snicker*

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Trance

    It would only suck to live there compared to our own world though, if the characters in Halo were asked if they wanted to live in our world, having never experienced it before, I wonder how many would say yes...

    Maybe some of their brains might hemorage instead of mine when we tell them about our altenate world.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     
    Posted By: Trance

    But how do we know God has the same human urges we do?

    He made us in his image.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    But what's in an image? I mean different humans have different personalities, so how can we all be in God's image if you account personality into the image?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    We all have the same basic instincts that make us Human.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    We don't. When it gets right down to it, we don't know anything. Every single fact we "know" now, could be "proven" wrong 2k years from now. Even facts are just current beliefs figured out using systems that are currently believed to be fact. Which in turn are systems figured out using other facts we believed to be fact, on and on, occasionally "proven" wrong.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    But as humans, we all have different personalities, and every person is unique, it's the one thing we have in common, so how can we all be in God's image?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    :colbert:
    I'm sorry, you lost me at "We."

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Also as far as image, you can't go by humans you see today. If you believe the Bible, he made ADAM and EVE in his image. Personalities at the very least are much different then they were then. If your an evolutionist, who knows what the heck we started out looking as. Ogres? Monkeys? goo?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I mean like, different people have different personalities, so how can everybody be in God's image?, if personality is classed as image.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: D League

    :colbert:" alt=":colbert:" src="/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/stolen/colbert.gif">
    I'm sorry, you lost me at "We."

    :devil:

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I was looking at image as much more than personality. I just meant at the very least personality is one thing that would be different between people these days and people from the beginning.

    And why do my quotes keep coming out just as text instead of a proper quote?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I was going to ask the same question. :shocked:

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    I don't know. You can fix it by removing the extra text and puting in the smiley yourself.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: D League

    I'm sorry, you lost me at "We."

    Test. Attempt to make the previous one work.

    Posted By: D League

    I don't know. You can fix it by removing the extra text and puting in the smiley yourself.

    And Test. Just direct quote from above (clicking the gray quote).

    And bleh, neither worked. Someone slap me, I forgot to check the Html button....I bet this works :0p.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Make sure you have the html bubble selected at the botom of your post.

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      CommentAuthorFizzer
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    Thanks :0p, figured it out just before you posted.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006
     

    :bigsmile:
    Glad to help.

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      CommentAuthorlegatissimo
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2006 edited
     

    Watch this and let's keep this conversation going.

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