Posted By: Trance

Ah hah!, I kinda meant like, in Heaven people might make universes every day, with their own people and everyone's a God!

What would be a day in heaven? Not that it matters, but I think it is more of a mental than physical state. What I think happens in heaven anything you want, perhaps short of sining.

But surely what some people would want Heaven to be must be against some of the Bible's rules?

Posted By: Trance

But surely what some people would want Heaven to be must be against some of the Bible's rules?

Then either (a)their ideas need to be adjusted or (b) anything goes.

That would be good, but God made the ten commandments for a reason.
I'm not sure if they stop at the Pearly Gates.
I've never been there.

I agree, which is why the all knowing God is the metaphorical bouncer.

Posted By: Trance

To your own state of mind?

He decides who gets in and who doesn't. And (maybe) who needs to leave.

I've never actually met a bouncer either, though word gets round.

Posted By: Trance

Me neither! *not old enough to go to night clubs*

That was close, almost went down the gutter again.
Getting back on topic lest this thread ends up like so many other doomed conversations, what would be the Ellis Island of death? Would you just go strait to Hell or Heaven without explanation or would you go through a trial of your life?

Never thought about it.

Posted By: Udoboy

Perhaps God has a "plan" but it's not a predestined, sure-to-happen plan, but rather a general idea. Like "Some time down the road, Man will discover faster-than-light space travel and visit the planet Quexnar, where they will meet my other children." But for now, he's just sitting back and watching us use our free will to nearly annihilate each other.

As one author put it, you can't build the railroad till it's time for railroading. IE, it came at just the right time. Coincidence, or Divine Intervention, to further the plan?

My point was, that God being all knowing and our free will are counter to each other. He decided exactly how to create us and in doing so (if you was all knowing) knew exactly how his way of creating us would make every single one of us act. He could of tweaked a gene here or there that would totally change what every human in the future would have/will have done.

You could say that God had guidelines or rules he had to follow, but then that would be saying that he's not ACTUALLY all powerful. If he has rules to follow, all he would be is another version of life, just on a higher plane than us.

What if he created somebody that was incecisive?

Sorry, I meant indecisive.

But if he made the rules before life became existant, then it works in reverse.

That gave me a thought. If someone is All Knowing, but has given themselves rules against seeing everything, and by their nature if they have given themselves a rule to follow they Will follow it. Is that someone still all knowing?

If somebody is all knowing, what's the point in rules? they already know the future so why control it?

Posted By: D League

Why would that make him want to be more like us? Didn't he make us in his own image?

Who is to say what Image means? It could be we look like him. It could mean we are given the same rules as he has. Could also be that he created us in the same manner that he was created? :0p. If your a religious evolutionist, you could say that god is a pile of goo, and created us in the beginning to look just like him :0).

I assume that he makes us imperfect versions of himself in all ways, physical and mental shapes.

Posted By: Trance

How would he receive it though? if he is a being, is it like a thought in his head? Because I think once you know something's going to happen, you can't ignore it

He could make a rule that makes him not know what he chooses to ignore.

Who enforces that rule? Is there a higher being than God?

Perhaps it is like a game a programmer makes. While playing it, he is bound by his own rules.

Posted By: Trance

How does God know he is perfect?

He has no supirior entity to tell him that he isn't.

He assumes he's perfect because nobody has told him otherwise? Couldn't that be surpassed as arrogant?

Posted By: Fizzer

If he evolved in the past to what he is now, then he could be perfect and still have evolved.

What is the past? What came before God?

Posted By: Trance

He assumes he's perfect because nobody tells him otherwise?

That would make sense if you reword it to "He assumes he's perfect because no one has told him otherwise."

(brain hemorages and covers screen after overheating from too much use)

Ahh, time is a fun place to go. As far as we know, Time is only relevant to us. God might not experience time at all, it's just something he created for us for who knows what purpose. For God, it does not take time for one thing or another to happen. All events don't play out, they just are and and always have been. Perhaps we need to experience events in this time stream to learn some lesson before we are ready. But then, everything we have done, are doing, or ever will do already happened for God, it has always been for God.