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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006
     

    If two races (alien and human) met, what would be the outcome?

    I think it may work the same way it has on earth. When a dominating culture meets a culture technologically inferior to itself, it tends to subjugate them. If contact with an alien race were to occur, what would happen depends very much on the culture of that race. Are they peaceful or are they on an imperialistic campaign? Are they as technologically advanced as us? Did we find them or did they find us? Would we even be able to communicate with them?

    I ask this because of the earlier discussion on life existing elsewhere in the universe.

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      CommentAuthorbufar
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2006 edited
     

    First, if we did find life off of our planet, it would most likely be some form of bacterium. For a more lenghty discussion on this topic, go here. But assuming we did find intelligent life, it really depends. We can only assume what they might do based on basic animal nature. From this, we can gather that if they are less intelligent than us, they would most likley confront us. After we retaliate, they would back off and try to avoid us. However, if they are more intelligent than us, they would stay away. They would come to us only to capture and question, if we can communicate. If not they would most likey perform tests on us. Should we find them, they will respond with an overwhelming attack on us, and ultimatley defeating the human race. Remember, this is all mere speculation based loosley on an unexact science.

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    I think about this sometimes. It would certainly have huge effects on our society in areas ranging from science to religion to geo-political stability. My hope is that if it happens it will draw us together in our humanity and unite us behind our commonalities like in the movie Independence Day. Go America! :911:

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     

    I, for one, will welcome the invaders because their first move will be to destroy all governments worldwide, thereby increasing the average IQ 15 points.

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     

    Well, according to Orson Scott Card first we will war with the aliens, ultimately obliterating them. Then we will realize how cruel that was, thanks to a general turned alien sympathist. Then we will stumble across another alien race, and study them with strict restrictions about how much information we give away about ourselves. They will have some crazy mating ritual and will kill one of the people who studies them. Thats about where i left off I'll get back to you when i finish the book.

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      CommentAuthorDrigger
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006 edited
     

    Didn't this subject get covered in the ultimate geek show: StarTrek
    the answer: they would just KILL EACH OTHER!:shocked:

    fyi: I HATE STARTREK

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     

    Actually, I think in Star Trek they discovered that all the various sentient species (Human, Vulcan, Klingon, Cardassian, Ferengi and Romulan, if not more...) had all descended from a common ancestor species. It gave one pause to consider how all living things are really brothers or cousins in the grand scheme of things. We're really one big family.

    Then they went back to fighting one another.

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      CommentAuthorMonetdell
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006 edited
     

    who does like star trek it is a load of twaddle.
    i'd say we would either end up like other races were to us,slaves that eventually become free.
    then like on earth we would become valued members of the alien community,with some extremeists and losers against us.
    or
    we'd be completely obliterated.
    Unless
    they're stupider or weaker on the weapons factors,in which case we'd probably do as other people posted earlier

    • CommentAuthoroctoberfall
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006 edited
     

    if there actually was an alian lifeform that would be able to find us, we would not stand a chance fighting them. think about it, we have been trying to get father and father into the universe, but we cant find any other lifeforms. if they found us, they would definitly have the technology to destroy us.:neutral:

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: octoberfall

    if there actually was an alian lifeform that would be able to find us, we would not stand a chance fighting them. think about it, we have been trying to get father and father into the universe, but we cant find any other lifeforms. if they found us, they would definitly have the technology to destroy use. :neutral:

    That's assuming that they want to destroy us. Considering they're so much more advanced than humans, they would probably have no reason to kill us off. Unless of course, we in a blaze of irrationality attacked them first.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: cmseagle

    Unless of course, we in a blaze of irrationality attacked them first.

    So, we're screwed.

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2006
     

    Becasue we would have evolved so differently it isn't unreasonable to think that their weapons would have absoloutly no effect on us, but then again how long would it take such an advanced race to devolp new weapons.

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    This is assuming that the alien race in question is more technologically advanced than us, but not so much as we mean absolutely nothing to them. Stephen Hawking theorizes in either A Brief history of Time or The Universe in a Nutshell (can't remember which) that if we encounter another alien race, the chances that they are at a similar point in development to us is tiny - more likely they will be hyper-developed or bacteria-like. In that case, it seems likely that one will wipe the other out easily. I mean, how many of us care about the millions of microscopic organisms that we kill every time we walk on the grass?

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      CommentAuthorAthene
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    Posted By: Udoboy
    Posted By: cmseagle

    Unless of course, we in a blaze of irrationality attacked them first.

    So, we're screwed.

    Afraid so, my friends.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     
    Posted By: silverdragonfire

    I mean, how many of us care about the millions of microscopic organisms that we kill every time we walk on the grass?

    Dear God, you're right! What have I done!

    what have I done :cry:

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    Stop crying... the salt in your tears will kill bacteria on your cheeks!

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006
     

    They deserve death for what they have done to me, I only wish I could cry hydrochloric acid to kill them more.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: octoberfall

    we have been trying to get father and father into the universe,

    Plus the Son and Holy Ghost as well, if you believe in that kind of thing.

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      CommentAuthorPaulustrious
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2006 edited
     
    Posted By: legatissimo

    Go America!

    A few countries in other parts of the world may agree with that statement.

    Can we see NASA launching its intergalactic exploration mission in three hundred years...

    "Hang on, we forgot the missiles".

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    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: JoshuaU490</cite>They deserve death for what they have done to me, I only wish I could cry hydrochloric acid to kill them more.</blockquote>
    That's harsh. Without bacteria you'd have no vitamin K and therefore die, and no wine/champagne, yoghurt or bread. And besides, most microorganisms are harmless.

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    Right... That is if that giant asteroid doesn't hit us first... it is called 2004 MN4 i believe... here is some info.

    http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid_risk_041224.html

    Edit: Sorry, I ment to quote the guy 2 posts ahead of me.:cry:

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     

    Do I cry or not?

    I'm damned if I do, I'm damned if I don't.... Oh... Damn!

    ^^^
    quote from a TV show... guess which

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Posted By: silverdragonfire
    Posted By: JoshuaU490

    They deserve death for what they have done to me, I only wish I could cry hydrochloric acid to kill them more.

    That's harsh. Without bacteria you'd have no vitamin K and therefore die, and no wine/champagne, yoghurt or bread. And besides, most microorganisms are harmless.

    I don't mean all the bacteria, just the ones on my face.

    • CommentAuthorcats.pal
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006
     
    Posted By: JoshuaU490

    Well, according to Orson Scott Card first we will war with the aliens, ultimately obliterating them. Then we will realize how cruel that was, thanks to a general turned alien sympathist. Then we will stumble across another alien race, and study them with strict restrictions about how much information we give away about ourselves. They will have some crazy mating ritual and will kill one of the people who studies them. Thats about where i left off I'll get back to you when i finish the book.

    I hate to join a conversation so late, but may I just mention that Orson Scott Card wrote a novel about aliens, yes, but the novel itself focused more on the human psyche. I, myself, finished the same novel of which you speak and I must say that finishing the novel and analyzing it in depth will reveal that it was not meant to focus on the alien species, the 'buggers', but on the effects of various segments of the human mind. Soon I will begin the novel Ender's Shadow. Notice by the name that it doesn't mention the aliens in the title. Read the summary of the book on the back and it perhaps mentions the species once.

    This concluded, the novel is not a valid example of what may happen. It is one man's belief of what may happen. It does not include any analysis of the facts. It is science fiction.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2006 edited
     

    Has anyone here read The Forever War by Joe Haldeman? It shares many of my views on what would happen.

    Editorial Reviews

    Amazon.com
    In the 1970s Joe Haldeman approached more than a dozen different publishers before he finally found one interested in The Forever War. The book went on to win both the Hugo and Nebula Awards, although a large chunk of the story had been cut out before it saw publication. Now Haldeman and Avon Books have released the definitive version of The Forever War, published for the first time as Haldeman originally intended. The book tells the timeless story of war, in this case a conflict between humanity and the alien Taurans. Humans first bumped heads with the Taurans when we began using collapsars to travel the stars. Although the collapsars provide nearly instantaneous travel across vast distances, the relativistic speeds associated with the process means that time passes slower for those aboard ship. For William Mandella, a physics student drafted as a soldier, that means more than 27 years will have passed between his first encounter with the Taurans and his homecoming, though he himself will have aged only a year. When Mandella finds that he can't adjust to Earth after being gone so long from home, he reenlists, only to find himself shuttled endlessly from battle to battle as the centuries pass. --Craig E. Engler

    Book Description

    Private William Mandella is a hero in spite of himself -- a reluctant conscript drafted into an elite military unit, and propelled through space and time to fight in a distant thousand-year conflict. He never wanted to go to war, but the leaders on Earth have drawn a line in the interstellar sand -- despite the fact that their fierce alien enemy is unknowable, unconquerable, and very far away. So Mandella will perform his duties without rancor and even rise up through the military's ranks . . . if he survives. But the true test of his mettle will come when he returns to Earth. Because of the time dilation caused by space travel the loyal soldier is aging months, while his home planet is aging centuries -- and the difference will prove the saying: you never can go home. . .

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    i tend to believe our first contact would go something like ET...you know..like the aliens woud love reese's pieces and fun stuff like that.

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    Posted By: JoshuaU490

    I don't mean all the bacteria, just the ones on my face.

    Ohh...sorry I get you now.

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      CommentAuthorcadet
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     

    I tend to believe that our first contact will be something like the movie starship troopers.... you know... like the aliens would love human blood and killing people and such

    :D

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeDec 1st 2006
     

    I think the aliens are already here. I don't think they look like humans or anything, but I think they can hide amongst us without our knowledge. They can live in alleyways or out in forests, under the oceans or at the polar ice caps and we'd never know it. They're here. And they're watching us.

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2006
     
    Posted By: cats.pal

    This concluded, the novel is not a valid example of what may happen. It is one man's belief of what may happen. It does not include any analysis of the facts. It is science fiction.

    You're right that was completely ridiculous of me to bring up a work of science fiction when this conversation is so anchored in hard scientific fact.

    • CommentAuthorpenbass
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     

    Another angle....The bacteria it-self could be what obliterates us. No lasers or AA batteries needed. A mini-kamakazi race. And they thought they were just trying to get to know us. Be "closer" to us. Just a BIG misunderstanding. :wink:
    ie, Think of the "Creep Show" scene in which Stephen king appears, and then disappears into a mossy new skin. :shocked:

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      CommentAuthorMonetdell
    • CommentTimeDec 6th 2006
     
    Posted By: Udoboy

    I think the aliens are already here. I don't think they look like humans or anything, but I think they can hide amongst us without our knowledge. They can live in alleyways or out in forests, under the oceans or at the polar ice caps and we'd never know it. They're here. And they're watching us.

    maybe its in a similar way to that movie where the man owns sunglasses that show all alien thing for what it really is but signals from earth sent by the aliens that live and work here in disguise, hypnotise the entire population to see them as normal people.