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    Just wondering, if a piece of string (or something similar) was the same thickness all the way through and had no weak spots (no structral flaws whatsover), and was pulled from both sides with equal pressure would it be unbreakable?
    My argument for this is that since it is structurally perfect it could not break in any one place, and because of its structure (cylindrical) it could not break in more than one place.

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    Nothing is unbreakable. This string would be equally lkely to break at any point, but it would surely break if enough pressure is applied.

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    I'm pretty confident in saying that when you exceed the tensile strength of this string with no weak points it would instantly turn into a fine powder... in essence, breaking everywhere.

    • CommentAuthorJon
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2006
     

    "Nothing is unbreakable. This string would be equally lkely to break at any point, but it would surely break if enough pressure is applied."

    This is because nothing can be "the same thickness all the way through and [has] no weak spots".
    I think this is 'physically impossible'. Maybe in theory it's imaginable, a such string, but I wonder what kind of materials would be required for it to exist...

    • CommentAuthor5010
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2006 edited
     

    The gravity field of the Earth is not uniform, but actually diminishes with altitude. Therefore even if a string were horizontal when pulled, the net force on the top edge of a string is minutely less than the bottom edge due to gravitational gradient of Earth. Also, the mass of the string itself causes a small net force on each partical towards the center of the string. Also, the mass of whatever pulls on the string creates a gravitational gradient field.

    Therefore, in order for the string to be equally string, it cannot be made of a uniform material and simple geometry. It would have to be designed to compensate for the tiny differences in force mentioned above. And if one could actually construct such a thing (impossible by today's technology) then I agree with legatissimo on what would happen to it. Otherwise, the point of the string with the largest net gravitational shearing force would break first.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2006
     

    You fools make me laugh. Is this what American colleges are teaching? I'm so glad I went to Home-School College of Western Wyoming. [Go Homies!]

    What happens to metal when you heat it and cool it? It warps. What happens to a spring when you stretch it and compress it? It warps.

    What will happen to a string, no matter how finely made, when you pull on it? It will stretch--and upon stretching, weaknesses that were heretofore missing develop. Microscopic fissures grow--and eventually the string will snap in two.

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    Awhile ago, I heard a similar question from a friend's sister who was in the middle of a 2nd year philsophy course in Australia, in Armidale i think. So im thinking this has no scientificy based answer, or was designed to merly to insprire "possible" scenarios.
    Though when it is said that it is free of "structral flaws", would it not also evade the possibility of developing any type of weakness, ie. cracks, fissures, bends or whatever, because it is "perfect", unless there was errors in its creation.
    So for any "real" answer to be attained, it would have to be a specific element.

    • CommentAuthorChutzpah
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2006
     

    spectra cable, which is actually polyethylene fiber, is as near perfect as one can get. this statement is based on the physical properties of the chemical bond and the fact that lives depend on it being manufactured properly. i just recently watched a show on discovery (or history channel) about this stuff. its 15% stronger than steel and 40% stronger than kevlar.

    another point that needs consideration is that any point at which the string is connected to the device that will tension it will inherently be weaker than the whole. that is to say that if you tie a knot in the middle of a piece of "perfect" string and then strectch that string, it is more likely to malfunction at the point of the knot.

    and this brings us to yet another point...different types of knots

    a figure eight knot, for example, retains 80% (if i remember correctly) of the tensile strength of the rope. whereas, a square knot only retains half. some of these "facts" are sourced only from memory and years of rock-climbing/rapelling, so if they are incorrect, feel free to interject; while others are from tv shows (discovery/history) or internet

    btw, this is my first post here, just found the site yesterday and have spent the majority of both days reading the threads.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2007
     

    Isn't spider silk the strongest thing known to man? I'm pretty sure when you pull on that from each side it snaps.

    Aren't eggs the most perfect thing known to mankind? I'm pretty sure when you pull on them from each side they break!

    Or is there some sort of physics rule I'm not aware of here?

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    uhhh spider silk? thats definitely not the strongest thing known to man. It's strong, but not thaaaat strong

    I read this article in national geographic about a space elevator that they could hypothetically build. I forget what the material the shaft thing was made was called, but Im 99% certain its stronger than spider silk

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2007
     

    "Spider silk is incredibly tough and is stronger by weight than steel. Quantitatively, spider silk is five times stronger than steel of the same diameter. It has been suggested that a Boeing 747 could be stopped in flight by a single pencil-width strand and spider silk is almost as strong as Kevlar, the toughest man-made polymer. It is finer than the human hair (most threads are a few microns in diameter) and is able to keep its strength below -40°C. The toughest silk is the dragline silk from the Golden Orb-Weaving spider (Nephilia clavipes), so-called because it uses silk of a golden hue to make orb webs."

    Okay, so it's not the strongest thing known to man, but it's the strongest natural material (my bad).

    The point is, if you pulled it it snaps.

    • CommentAuthorMelomania
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2007
     

    Pretty sure you are all forgetting the almighty carbon nanotube, which could make the space elevator possible. These tubes are 60x stronger than steel.

    :surprised:

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    yes yes that is what it was called

    thanks bundles!

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      CommentAuthorMonetdell
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2007
     

    wat about spider silk, there is currently research into implementing the gene that make it into a special breed of goat,whos milk tastes bad even in cheese,as a replacement for the mammary gland.
    i have no idea how far the research is, but if you could get a 3 inch thick strand (which isn't possible with spiders because they don't produce enough) it apparently could hold a average car.

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      CommentAuthorcmseagle
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2007
     

    Well, there are 3 inch thick ropes that could hold a semi.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2007
     
    Posted By: Monetdell

    wat about spider silk, there is currently research into implementing the gene that make it into a special breed of goat,whos milk tastes bad even in cheese,as a replacement for the mammary gland.
    i have no idea how far the research is, but if you could get a 3 inch thick strand (which isn't possible with spiders because they don't produce enough) it apparently could hold a average car.

    The research is not only completed, it's being put to practical use already... didn't we link to this already?

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    On another topic that should be able to be answered by common sense, I've been told by multiple sources cold water boils faster than hot water...anyone else heard this?

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    Yes, but I think we can safely dismiss this. Having drunk tens of thousands of cups of tea, I can assure you that my electric kettle reboils hot water far quicker than it does cold.

    Materials do change their thermal conductivity and specific heat as temperature rises. However, the ability of cold water to retain induced heat is normally affected by the rate at which its container radiates heat, which is nominally proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature. I am sure if you google around 'Stephan-Boltzmann's constant' you will learn more than you need to know. Almost exactly the amount I have forgotten.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007 edited
     

    Same concept to which freezes faster?
    I saw on television once a show where the host said throwing a cup of hot water on ice would freeze before it hit the ground and shatter, whereas a cup of cold water would hit the ground and splash.

    Not too sure how that works, though.

    Edit: I forgot to mention this was in Antarctica.

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    throwing a cup of hot water on ice would freeze before it hit the ground

    Howzzat?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007
     

    That's what I'm not sure of...

    They said that, but didn't explain why.

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    Forget it. Parts of Canada are seriously cold - and pee does not freeze before it hits the ground. This has been tested by me at -50. You can still write your name in the snow provided you can find the 'pen'. In fact it wouldn't freeze if it was absolute zero. (OK just above the boiling point of oxygen)

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: Trance

    My bad, check the edit, sorry.

    Last winter, after it snowed in Washington, DC, someone wrote on the south lawn of the White House "George Bush is an asshole". It was written in pee. Dubyah was incensed. He ordered the FBI to find out who had done such a thing. The FBI took samples and had them analyzed.

    The next day the FBI agent called George and said they had found out who the culprits were.

    "Culprits?? There was more than one?", said George.

    "Yes, sir. So we have good news and bad news."

    "How can that be? You said you knew who the culprits are. That's good news and excellent work. Who was it?"

    "Well sir, we analyzed the urine and it's Ted Kennedy's."

    "OK," said George, "We'll have him arrested right away. Who else are we going to have arrested?"

    The FBI agent explained, "That's the bad news sir. We also analyzed the handwriting and we determined that it's Mrs. Bush's handwriting."

    ---------

    I knew a guy who used to work in Alaska during his Christmas break when he was in college. He said it was BORING up there and when they weren't working they would amuse themselves by heating a big pot of water until it was boiling then they'd open the door and throw the water out onto the ground. It would freeze before it hit the ground.

    I recently saw a vid on the internet that showed that happening.