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      CommentAuthorGeog
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2006 edited
     

    Joshua,

    1. I am pretty sure that Devil's Advocate is female.
    2. Squant alone is a probability.
    3. I understand your point, but:

      Posted By: Geog

      So you're saying that "Squant" may have even more powerful synesthetic connections with people?

    4. Don't screw with Geog.
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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2006
     

    Yes I knew that, I apologize Devil's Advocate. I just hear that title and think of the Al Pacino movie. And I'm pretty sure synesthesia can only be experienced by people who have synesthesia, and there isn't some magical substance that suddenly causes a person with normal sensory perception to become synesthetic. Unless that substance is hard and it hits them in the head. And I'll screw with you all i want.

    • CommentAuthorMoore
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2006
     

    The Benham's top is interesting. On my Screen I see what looks to be yellowish reddish in the center rings; then as the spiral expands, I see it shift to yellow-green -> green -> light purple ->dark Purple. Perhaps what were seeing is an emulated Gendale on a RBY screen; a color trying to made out of RBY, but not quite getting there. Leary described it as a bright and vivid color. I wonder if someone could reconstruct a real version of the Benham's top and see what it looks like. Either that or we all take LSD:rainbow:.

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    Posted By: JoshuaU490

    Yes I knew that, I apologize Devil's Advocate. I just hear that title and think of the Al Pacino movie. And I'm pretty sure synesthesia can only be experienced by people who have synesthesia, and there isn't some magical substance that suddenly causes a person with normal sensory perception to become synesthetic. Unless that substance is hard and it hits them in the head. And I'll screw with you all i want.

    No problem... I suppose I could have chosen "Devil's Advocatess" but that just sounds silly. ;-) And yea, I loved that movie. I -so- want to be able to speak all languages... I'd probably be willing to at least entertain selling my soul for that. But I've always used the name in more the historical context... a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments, so that all sides can be given due consideration... In the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the Devil's Advocate was a person appointed to challenge a proposed beatification or canonization, or the verification of a miracle.

    And there is a "magical substance"... Some psychodelic drugs have been known to produce sensations of synesthesia... But I don't think a bonk on the head ever has.

    And... If you guys are gonna screw with each other... Get a room. *wicked wink*

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      CommentAuthorJoshuaU490
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2006
     

    I was a little upset when I saw your name because I thought it was so fitting and a little agravated that you beat me to it. And a wise woman once said, "While synesthetic experience can be brought on by drugs or by specific brain or sensory injuries" I just forgot to put in the drug part.

    On a completley different note I saw the blueish-violet haze after looking at brennhans top, so i figured i would give the gendale pop thing a try. It only took 3 hours and i could see it pretty clearly, but i moved my eyes and lost focus, and with it went the color.

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    The Brenham's Top exerciseputs some of my experiences into perspective. I guess I can count myself among the fortunate few who can see gendale. I still have occasional "flashbacks," in which, if it weren't for the unique coloration of my surroundings, I might think I had lost my mind. I never knew this had a name, and just silently waited out my occasional "side-trips."
    My 90's made the 60's look like the 50's. How did the rest of you fare?

    Side-note: I can almost see Glendale from where I live.

    • CommentAuthorUser
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     

    I was just wondering if it is possible to see gendale on the back ofa CD, since it shows the full spectrum

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    Posted By: User

    I was just wondering if it is possible to see gendale on the back ofa CD, since it shows the full spectrum

    Brilliant idea... I'm checking now, I'll report back soon.

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      CommentAuthorAthene
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: User

    I was just wondering if it is possible to see gendale on the back ofa CD, since it shows the full spectrum

    I think you still need to have the special sensitivity to gendale to see it on the back of a CD, but yes, if you are already able to see it, you should also see it when you look at a CD in the right light.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2007
     

    I belive that a team of scientists in New York actually found gendale on a Weird Al CD, but the part of the spectrum it is seen at on the CD is to small to see with the naked eye.

    • CommentAuthorsorchah
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007
     

    Is "gendale" pronounced with a hard 'g' or a soft one?

    • CommentAuthorsorchah
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007
     

    And...I'm pretty sure I'm seeing it on this CD. I'll experiment later with flourescent versus sunlight.

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      CommentAuthorlegatissimo
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: sorchah

    Is "gendale" pronounced with a hard 'g' or a soft one?

    Soft G: "jen-dale."

    I could see it a bit. I was using a burnable DVD that had nothing recorded on it. Also, D League, there's no reason to suspect that the content on the CD would affect its reflection at all.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2007
     

    I know, it was just an advertisment for Weird Al. He heard about the experiment and paid them to use one of his CDs.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2007
     

    I'm pretty sure you can't just go through the normal spectrum and find gendale. It doesn't quite fit in with the electromagnetic spectrum (as does visible light). Otherwise, it would be on the Dark Side of the Moon album cover. And I remember reading an interview where Roger Waters claimed that he didn't believe gendale exists since he'd never seen it.

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    Humans have limited color perception due to two filters. The first comes from the geometric alignment of molecular membranes in the cone cells of the retina. The second is based on the configuration of synapses in the brain's visual center. Both of these vary by genetic and environmental process and allow some people to see colors that others cannot.

    There is a self test that you can use to determine whether or not you are genetically and environmentally developed to be able to see gendale.

    1. Find a Benham Disk (for example: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_benham/index.html)
    2. Increase the spin of the disk until the 12 lines begin to merge. This is tricky due to monitor refresh rates.
    3. Watch for colors appearing in the middle 6 lines.
    4. Hold your face about 6 inches from the screen and stare at the image for about 30 seconds. This causes the cones to release a chemical that adjusts their sensitivity.
    5. Close your eyes and immediately cover your face with your hands to darken your sight as much as possible,

    This causes a false reverse color image perceived for a split second, due to the latent sensitivity of the cone cells. If done correctly, you should see a black circle with a halo around it. The color of the halo determines your sensitivity to gendale as following:

    gendale halo: this will be pretty obvious, because you will see a color unlike anything normal to a color chart. You are genetically and/or environmentally able to see gendale.

    blue-violet halo: you are at the edge of perception to gendale. Some people can "pass over" into gendale perception by use of chemicals that excite optical neuro-transmitters (in other words, hallucinogenic substances).

    blue-green halo: you were born with the ability to see gendale but have lost it environmentally (most likely from sun-damage earlier in life)

    bluish halo: sorry, you are genetically and environmentally color-blind to gendale

    Hope that helps...

    can anyone elaborate on the proccess of how to make the black circle with the colored halo to appear because everytime i do it i jsut see what i normally see when i close my eyes...and i really want to see this color:shocked:

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2007 edited
     

    Try looking at it longer. Your eyes may adjust to fast to see it. I know that this works. I've done it several times.

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      CommentAuthorcadet
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    I'm sorry my friend, wishing cant make this one come true. You are either genetically predisposed to see it, or not. And it sounds like you may not be if you have tried a few times.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    When I close my eyes I don't see anything, can anybody elaborate on the correct speed theTop should be spinning at?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    Keep increacing the speed until you can see it.

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    i tried looking at it loing but it a makes my eyes water and two the lines never seem t blur together and i never really see colors forming the in the middle...im not quite sure how fast to make the spinny disk thing go. someone needs to make one where it spins at the right speed all the time

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     
    Posted By: D League

    Keep increacing the speed until you can see it.

    See what? Colours?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    Until you see the lines merge.

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      CommentAuthorBGoosh
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    It is possible to see Gendale on a disc. If you look at the back of a CD and blink rapidly the perceptors in your eyes make it possible to see the different frequency of light required to see Gendale. Try it some time, it's quite impressive.

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      CommentAuthorcritdragon
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    what do you mean until the lines emege?? until its just one line or until they are all blended into each other??

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2007
     

    Until they all blend together.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2007 edited
     

    Untill they blend and make 4 lines, instead of 12, I think.

    • CommentAuthorUser
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2007
     

    Gendale sucks:argh:

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2007
     

    It's great once you can see it, i've heard.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2007
     

    I plan to paint my house in gendale, if I can find the right combination of paint.

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    is there an easier way to see it ? im having no luck at all :argh:

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2007
     

    What part are you having trouble with?

    • CommentAuthorlemoncakes
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    A thought: what if some of us are so used to seeing gendale that, when we actively try to see it via the Benham top or the white circle diagram, we just see something we've always seen and don't realize we're doing it?

    I'm just trying to console myself :cry: I've been staring at at the top and a cd and an aluminum can for about 45 minutes now. I'm like some of the others, and don't get any sort of halo when I close my eyes. To those who've seen it on the cd spectrum, where is gendale in the roy g. biv sandwich? On that white circle diagram, it just looks like a golden brown-green to me.

    A good friend of mine is synesthetic. Apparently, my name or my voice, I forget which, is a soft pink and a little prickly like a carpet.

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    Could you ask them what my name looks like?

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    And if you can't see Gendale after trying, then perhaps you just can't see it. :sad:

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    tell your synesthetic friend "antiuniformitarianistic." Apparently this word has caused at least one synesthetic to see the color gendale. It also caused that person to taste skunk.
    :shocked:

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      CommentAuthorD League
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    It only works if you pronounce it correctly too. I'm pretty sure it also helps if you have a Socttish accent. Scientists are still researching this vocal phenomenon.

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    You need to quit reading the same archived out-of-publication science magazines as me. :devil:

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2007
     

    hehe

    • CommentAuthor23
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    When you close your eyes tightly and squash your hands against them until colours and shapes (much like tv static) appear - could any of them be gendale or squant? i find them hard to describe..

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      CommentAuthornyarfdude
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    Exactly where would you place Gendale in the spectrum? (e.g. between red and orange, yellow and green, etc...)

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      CommentAuthorUdoboy
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     
    Posted By: nyarfdude

    Exactly where would you place Gendale in the spectrum? (e.g. between red and orange, yellow and green, etc...)

    gendale does not fit in the spectrum... see the chart on page 1 of this thread

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    When you're looking at the CD, gendale hovers above the rest of the spectrum, and sort of makes a circular ring "floating" above the disc.

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      CommentAuthorWrong
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    I finally saw Gendale today!

    So during lunch I was playing basketball with some co-workers and while coming down from a rebound, one of their elbows struck me on top of my head. For the instant while my eyes were closed and I was falling to the ground, the magical Gendale appeared before me. I didn't "see" it persay, but it was definitely there, in my brain.

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    Posted By: Udoboy
    Posted By: nyarfdude

    Exactly where would you place Gendale in the spectrum? (e.g. between red and orange, yellow and green, etc...)

    gendale does not fit in the spectrum... see the chart on page 1 of this thread

    That's actually a chromaticity chart. What I think nyarfdude is asking is where gendale goes on the electromagnetic spectrum. This is a chart of the electromagnetic spectrum: http://www.yorku.ca/eye/spectru.htm

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    Fitting gendale into that chart would be as futile as categorizing the complete works of the Beatles according to smell.

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    Which incedently, I once tried to do!

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      CommentAuthorFact totum
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    You tried to do that indecently?

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      CommentAuthorTrance
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2007
     

    Indeed!

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      CommentAuthorcritdragon
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2007
     
    Posted By: Udoboy
    Posted By: nyarfdude

    Exactly where would you place Gendale in the spectrum? (e.g. between red and orange, yellow and green, etc...)

    gendale does not fit in the spectrum... see the chart on page 1 of this thread

    that shows that it can't appear on a computer screen but it would still be on the electromagnetic spectrum

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